On 03-04-22 06:56, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

It's in no way a secure model, but I liked my first setup, where I had
a single IP address and a Linux box with 2 network cards. I ran all of
my services on the box directly with iptables running, and NATed the
rest of my lan over the second card.

Easy, less hassle with NAT, and everything worked.

Yeah not a bad option, if you need only one IP. And there's other ways to harden Internet facing systems, if needed.


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Quoting Boraxman to Ogg <=-

I totally agree. We don't expect privacy so it isn't an issue for many
people.

I'm a quad, and I have Amazon Services throughout the house. For myself,
the abdication of my privacy isn't a convenience, it is how I can be as independent as I can.

Security v. Freedom is a lofty argument. The more something is secure, the
less freedom we have. Many people forget this and want 100% of both. Well, there is nothing that is ever 100% secure nor is there anything that is
ever 100% free -- I think of how much a "free" dog costs in medical bills
after the fact.

The best someone can do is strive to strike a balance between the two.

However, for most people, they don't understand the concept of IoT and
never update their TVs, refrigerators, toasters, you name it. Whatever they have in their LANs that pull an IP is vulnerable and a security risk.

People also don't value their information. They don't understand that the myriad of trash they are getting in their email or twit feed, etc. is
largely their own making.

Before we can increase electronic security, we need the public to be
educated on what electronic security touches. I think the average person
would be confounded and overwhelmed with some of the specifics.

Jazzy J


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Jazzy J wrote to Boraxman <=-

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Quoting Boraxman to Ogg <=-

I totally agree. We don't expect privacy so it isn't an issue for many people.

I'm a quad, and I have Amazon Services throughout the house. For
myself, the abdication of my privacy isn't a convenience, it is how I
can be as independent as I can.

Security v. Freedom is a lofty argument. The more something is secure,
the less freedom we have. Many people forget this and want 100% of
both. Well, there is nothing that is ever 100% secure nor is there anything that is ever 100% free -- I think of how much a "free" dog
costs in medical bills after the fact.

The best someone can do is strive to strike a balance between the two.

However, for most people, they don't understand the concept of IoT and never update their TVs, refrigerators, toasters, you name it. Whatever they have in their LANs that pull an IP is vulnerable and a security
risk.

People also don't value their information. They don't understand that
the myriad of trash they are getting in their email or twit feed, etc.
is largely their own making.

Before we can increase electronic security, we need the public to be educated on what electronic security touches. I think the average
person would be confounded and overwhelmed with some of the specifics.

Jazzy J

Who is going to educate the public though? There is no real incentive for the companies selling these products to do it, in fact, they would thrive of ignorance and lack of knowledge, as people would default to just purchasing something to fix a problem.

I think people don't care because they don't want to have to fight, or be inconvenienced. So instead they try to rationalise away giving away their privacy and control.

I'm not optimistic about where technology and our relationship is going, not at all.

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Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Digital Man to Phigan on Sun Feb 27 2022 01:33 am

Most Synchronet BBSes (e.g. web.synchro.net).

Aha, up there under "Forum". Not bad! I had not seen anyone set that up yet, only the telnet client in a web page thing. Going to check out themeability or whatever. Thanks :)

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