• Fidonet AreaFix

    From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to All on Thursday, July 11, 2019 21:10:13
    So the Docs say Synchronet does not use a nodelist.In order to recieve Fidonet Echomail, (Message Areas) you have to send messages to "Arefix". My hub says my msgs to Areafix are not getting through. So what's the problem? Everything is setup verbatum. I send "Netmail" through my Synchronet BBS email like this

    To: AREAFIX@1:267/800
    Subject: "Password" Assigned by Hub Coordinator

    In the Message editor I put

    %HELP
    %LIST

    What am I doing wrong? Or what's wrong with my sbbsecho or binkit setup? The HUB guy is trying to convince me to switching to Mystic because Fidonet works "out of the box". I have to admit there's a lot of settings in my Synchronet fidonet setup. I would imgaine just one needs to be wrong. Did anyone get the memo from fidonet with the Synchronet settings?



    HusTler
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to HusTler on Thursday, July 11, 2019 18:58:26
    Re: Fidonet AreaFix
    By: HusTler to All on Thu Jul 11 2019 09:10 pm

    So the Docs say Synchronet does not use a nodelist.

    It doesn't.

    In order to recieve
    Fidonet Echomail, (Message Areas) you have to send messages to "Arefix".

    Not always. If you hub sets up your area links manually, no Areafix is needed.

    My
    hub says my msgs to Areafix are not getting through. So what's the problem?

    I don't know. You haven't really provided any information.

    Everything is setup verbatum. I send "Netmail" through my Synchronet BBS email like this

    To: AREAFIX@1:267/800
    Subject: "Password" Assigned by Hub Coordinator

    In the Message editor I put

    %HELP
    %LIST

    What am I doing wrong?

    You're typing the wrong address. Your Hub's address is 1:267/801!

    I'm just kidding. Seriously, how could anyone possibly know what you've done wrong with so little information. Is the password correct? Is the address correct? Is SBBSecho setup correctly?

    Or what's wrong with my sbbsecho or binkit setup?

    I have no idea. Have you looked at your logs to see what's actually happening?

    Start with data/sbbsecho.log and see if your netmail message is actually being exported and packed for your hub. Then look at your binkit activity in your events log (for outbound connections) to see if the netmail packet created by SBBSecho is being sent to your hub.

    The HUB guy is trying to convince me to switching to Mystic because Fidonet works "out of the box".

    Did your "HUB guy" actually provide you any details other than "it's not working"? Like, is getting successful BinkP connections from you? Is he reeiving *any* files from you successfully? Maybe there's a packet or areafix password mismatch? His logs would say so.

    I have to admit there's a lot of settings in my
    Synchronet fidonet setup. I would imgaine just one needs to be wrong. Did anyone get the memo from fidonet with the Synchronet settings?

    Huh?

    digital man

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to HusTler on Thursday, July 11, 2019 22:21:29
    Re: Fidonet AreaFix
    By: HusTler to All on Thu Jul 11 2019 21:10:13

    So the Docs say Synchronet does not use a nodelist.

    Which docs? The BinkIT docs say otherwise.

    Nodelists may not be used throughout Synchronet's FTN stack, but they are used in places and can be set up via 'echocfg' (Domains -> domain -> NodeList).

    Fidonet Echomail, (Message Areas) you have to send messages to "Arefix".

    This is somewhat unrelated to the nodelist, except maybe when it comes to routing your message to Areafix.

    We'll need to know more about what setup steps you've already taken in order to give real advice. Going through echocfg (as mentioned above re: nodelists and also through the "Linked Nodes" settings) will probably help.

    My hub says my msgs to Areafix are not getting through. So what's the problem? Everything is setup verbatum. I send "Netmail" through my Synchronet BBS email like this

    To: AREAFIX@1:267/800
    Subject: "Password" Assigned by Hub Coordinator

    If this is truly verbatim then your subject line is probably wrong. :)

    The HUB guy is trying to convince me to switching to Mystic because Fidonet works "out of the box".

    This is almost certainly false. Some setup would be required, though maybe less and maybe easier.

    Your hub guy probably can't help you with Synchronet because he doesn't know how. You may get better support from him by switching to Mystic. Seems like a lot of hassle, though. Especially for Fidonet, which is a giant sack of shit anyhow.

    wrong. Did anyone get the memo from fidonet with the Synchronet settings?

    Many of us are using Synchronet with Fido-type networks, often several at once.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Thursday, July 11, 2019 22:32:04
    Re: Fidonet AreaFix
    By: HusTler to All on Thu Jul 11 2019 09:10 pm

    The HUB guy is trying to convince me to switching to Mystic because Fidonet works "out of the box". I have to admit there's a lot of settings in my


    that man is a fucking idiot. discontinue all association.
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  • From Netsurge@VERT to MRO on Thursday, July 11, 2019 23:42:12
    that man is a fucking idiot. discontinue all association.

    I would have to agree.

    echicken is correct, Fidonet is a cesspool. Saying that, I am an RC in
    fidonet (yes, i'm a masochist). If you need a hand getting it going, I can help.

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to HusTler on Friday, July 12, 2019 04:30:10
    On 2019 Jul 11 21:10:12, you wrote to All:

    So the Docs say Synchronet does not use a nodelist.

    true to a point but that most likely has nothing to do with your problem...

    In order to recieve Fidonet Echomail, (Message Areas) you have to send messages to "Arefix". My hub says my msgs to Areafix are not getting through. So what's the problem? Everything is setup verbatum. I send "Netmail" through my Synchronet BBS email like this

    [trim]

    What am I doing wrong?

    the format of your message looks correct assuming that you're using the [E]mail->[N]etmail menu flow in the default sbbs menus... but the problem could
    be elsewhere, depending on what your hub means by "messages to Areafix are not getting through"... that could be caused by having (or not) a session password or having (or not) a packet password when the other side is expecting (or not) one...

    Or what's wrong with my sbbsecho or binkit setup?

    we can't tell from your brief description...

    The HUB guy is trying to convince me to switching to Mystic because Fidonet works "out of the box".

    sorry but that's just ignorant and that person is not the brightest bulb in the
    box...

    I have to admit there's a lot of settings in my Synchronet fidonet
    setup. I would imgaine just one needs to be wrong. Did anyone get the
    memo from fidonet with the Synchronet settings?

    i'm one of the backbone stars... i carry and manage all of the available areas with sbbs... i can help you get configured as well as providing you with a feed
    if you desire one... you do not have to feed from that system at all but you do
    need to poll your NC at least weekly to get any possible routed netmail that may be waiting for you... you may also need to connect to them for your regional and net-centric echomail areas if they are not available on the backbone... some areas are, some areas aren't...

    you may contact me via email if you like... prefix your subject with "[FIDO]" to get past the filters...

    wkitty42 =at= gmail =dot= com

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
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  • From mark lewis@VERT to echicken on Friday, July 12, 2019 04:13:30
    On 2019 Jul 11 22:21:28, you wrote to HusTler:

    So the Docs say Synchronet does not use a nodelist.

    Which docs? The BinkIT docs say otherwise.

    true...

    Nodelists may not be used throughout Synchronet's FTN stack, but they
    are used in places and can be set up via 'echocfg' (Domains -> domain
    NodeList).

    also true... but they are not used unless you leave out the link's domain name in echocfg's binkp settings for the linked node... you do still have to put in the proper port to use if the linked node is not using the default 24554 binkp port, though... that's a bug i haven't yet reported or dug into to try to fix myself... it should pull the port from the nodelist or use the default if one is not specified...

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... Hey, don't hit me! I'm new to this echo. [DUCKING]
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  • From mark lewis@VERT to MRO on Friday, July 12, 2019 04:20:26
    On 2019 Jul 11 22:32:04, you wrote to HusTler:

    The HUB guy is trying to convince me to switching to Mystic because
    Fidonet works "out of the box". I have to admit there's a lot of
    settings in my

    that man is a fucking idiot. discontinue all association.

    ROTFLMAO! do you know him from other venues, too? i do and yeah, you're absolutely correct! :lol:

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... Acorns were good until bread was found. Francis Bacon
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Netsurge on Friday, July 12, 2019 16:24:48
    Re: Re: Fidonet AreaFix
    By: Netsurge to MRO on Thu Jul 11 2019 11:42 pm

    that man is a fucking idiot. discontinue all association.

    I would have to agree.

    echicken is correct, Fidonet is a cesspool. Saying that, I am an RC in fidonet (yes, i'm a masochist). If you need a hand getting it going, I can help.



    i went back to fidonet maybe 3 times since 2004. each time it wasnt worth it and i had some problem with my feed occur eventually.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to HusTler on Friday, July 12, 2019 16:36:23
    Re: Fidonet AreaFix
    By: Digital Man to HusTler on Thu Jul 11 2019 06:58 pm

    Re: Fidonet AreaFix
    By: HusTler to All on Thu Jul 11 2019 09:10 pm

    So the Docs say Synchronet does not use a nodelist.

    It doesn't.

    In order to recieve
    Fidonet Echomail, (Message Areas) you have to send messages to "Arefix".

    Not always. If you hub sets up your area links manually, no Areafix is needed.

    My
    hub says my msgs to Areafix are not getting through. So what's the problem?

    I don't know. You haven't really provided any information.

    Everything is setup verbatum. I send "Netmail" through my Synchronet BBS email like this

    To: AREAFIX@1:267/800
    Subject: "Password" Assigned by Hub Coordinator

    In the Message editor I put

    %HELP
    %LIST

    What am I doing wrong?

    You're typing the wrong address. Your Hub's address is 1:267/801!

    I'm just kidding. Seriously, how could anyone possibly know what you've done wrong with so little information. Is the password correct? Is the address correct? Is SBBSecho setup correctly?

    Or what's wrong with my sbbsecho or binkit setup?

    I have no idea. Have you looked at your logs to see what's actually happening?

    Start with data/sbbsecho.log and see if your netmail message is actually being exported and packed for your hub. Then look at your binkit activity in your events log (for outbound connections) to see if the netmail packet created by SBBSecho is being sent to your hub.

    The HUB guy is trying to convince me to switching to Mystic because Fidonet works "out of the box".

    Did your "HUB guy" actually provide you any details other than "it's not working"? Like, is getting successful BinkP connections from you? Is he reeiving *any* files from you successfully? Maybe there's a packet or areafix password mismatch? His logs would say so.

    I have to admit there's a lot of settings in my
    Synchronet fidonet setup. I would imgaine just one needs to be wrong. Did anyone get the memo from fidonet with the Synchronet settings?

    Huh?

    So you sent me an email saying I "may have missing your fidonet question in Synchronet Discussions". This is my reply to your question, to which you have not replied.

    So you sent me your sbbsecho.ini file and in it, you have the inbox and outbox values set for your hub (1:267/800@fidonet):

    Inbox = ../data/inbound
    Outbox = ../data/outbound

    When I explained that these settings are most likey your problem, you replied:

    They were already there. If they don't belong there take them out so
    other new SysOps don't get confused. Not everyone is a programer that's
    been running Synchronet since 1989. This is supposed to be a fun
    hobby.

    These settings were already there. I didn't put them there. I don't
    change default settings unless I know what I'm doing or someone that
    does tells me to change them. This is exactly why I never returned to Fidonet after the 90's. All these stupid settings and nobody knows what there are for. "OH... I only know my BBS" they all say.

    Now, I'm not really sure what you mean by "these settings were already there". There *no* linked nodes configured by default in sbbsecho.ini, so that's impossible. You seem to be very accusatory of the software. Now I don't know if maybe someone else gave you that sbbsecho.ini file or edited it for you, but the software most certainly did not create those values automatically. So there is nothing for me to "take out".

    Please acknowledge that you've received this reply.


    digital man

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  • From Dan Clough@VERT to MRO on Friday, July 12, 2019 20:04:00
    MRO wrote to Netsurge <=-

    echicken is correct, Fidonet is a cesspool. Saying that, I am an RC in fidonet (yes, i'm a masochist). If you need a hand getting it going, I can help.

    i went back to fidonet maybe 3 times since 2004. each time it
    wasnt worth it and i had some problem with my feed occur
    eventually.

    Fidonet certainly isn't what it was back in it's prime (mid-90's).
    I still find some value in it, as long as you pick and choose your
    echos carefully.

    Problems with your feed are simply that - problems with your feed.
    Has no reflection on 'Fidonet' itself.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to hustler on Friday, July 12, 2019 22:27:12
    Re: Fidonet AreaFix
    By: Digital Man to HusTler on Fri Jul 12 2019 04:36 pm


    Re: Fidonet AreaFix
    By: HusTler to All on Thu Jul 11 2019 09:10 pm

    So the Docs say Synchronet does not use a nodelist.

    It doesn't.

    In order to recieve
    Fidonet Echomail, (Message Areas) you have to send messages to "Arefix".

    Not always. If you hub sets up your area links manually, no Areafix is needed.

    My
    hub says my msgs to Areafix are not getting through. So what's the problem?

    I don't know. You haven't really provided any information.



    when you have an issue please post screenshots of your setup.
    give as much information as you can.
    there's log files there for you to post too.

    lordtime has a good ftn setup guide for you to look at too.

    in my experience with fidonet i saw it all. a few times my hub had problems. usually it's pretty simple to setup ftn with synchronet. i had no idea what i was doing and i setup multiple people and a few of them even ended up running big msg networks.
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Dan Clough on Saturday, July 13, 2019 16:58:00
    On 07-12-19 20:04, Dan Clough wrote to MRO <=-

    Fidonet certainly isn't what it was back in it's prime (mid-90's).
    I still find some value in it, as long as you pick and choose your
    echos carefully.

    Agree, there are still a number of good echos on Fidonet.

    Problems with your feed are simply that - problems with your feed.
    Has no reflection on 'Fidonet' itself.

    Yep. My Fidonet feed has been extremely reliable. No issues at all. :)


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT to TONY LANGDON on Monday, July 15, 2019 13:25:00
    Tony,

    ... Can bankers count? Eight windows and only two tellers?

    The same applies in the checkout line at the grocery store (think
    Wal-Mart).

    Daryl

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Daryl Stout on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 18:55:00
    On 07-15-19 13:25, Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

    Tony,

    ... Can bankers count? Eight windows and only two tellers?

    The same applies in the checkout line at the grocery store (think Wal-Mart).

    We don't have Walmart here. :P

    But I still get it, the same happens here too.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Daryl Stout on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 10:11:36
    Re: Re: Fidonet AreaFix
    By: Daryl Stout to TONY LANGDON on Mon Jul 15 2019 01:25 pm

    ... Can bankers count? Eight windows and only two tellers?

    The same applies in the checkout line at the grocery store (think Wal-Mart).

    Pretty much any grocery store in my area. And it seems they can't decide what to do with the self-checkouts. There are some stores that added self-checkouts and then removed them, and others that have added self-checkouts but close them off at night (and only have one teller line open).

    Nightfox

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  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 15:26:00
    Nightfox wrote to Daryl Stout <=-

    Pretty much any grocery store in my area. And it seems they
    can't decide what to do with the self-checkouts. There are some
    stores that added self-checkouts and then removed them, and
    others that have added self-checkouts but close them off at night
    (and only have one teller line open).

    I think they found that they need several people to watch the
    self-checkouts to fend off thieves, so what's the point...? Might
    as well let those people run a checkout lane, or (better yet) cut
    their hours and only have one line open... :-(


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dan Clough on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 17:12:35
    Re: Re: Fidonet AreaFix
    By: Dan Clough to Nightfox on Wed Jul 17 2019 03:26 pm

    Pretty much any grocery store in my area. And it seems they
    can't decide what to do with the self-checkouts. There are some
    stores that added self-checkouts and then removed them, and
    others that have added self-checkouts but close them off at night
    (and only have one teller line open).

    I think they found that they need several people to watch the self-checkouts to fend off thieves, so what's the point...? Might
    as well let those people run a checkout lane, or (better yet) cut
    their hours and only have one line open... :-(

    Yeah, that might be true. It kinda sucks though when I need to go to the store late at night and there's only one checkout line open. Some stores used to have a few self-checkout things open, which made it easier to get out quicker.

    Nightfox

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