• Fidonet

    From Havok@VERT/HWBBS to All on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 13:14:32
    Question, am I missing something?

    When I joined Dovenet I say fidonet and fsxnet in the areas to pick.
    I guess what I'm asking can I just those also through QWK and if so
    can I use a address point .1 to join?

    Thanks all!

    Havok



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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Havok on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:43:09
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Havok to All on Wed Dec 18 2019 01:14 pm

    Question, am I missing something?

    When I joined Dovenet I say fidonet and fsxnet in the areas to pick.
    I guess what I'm asking can I just those also through QWK and if so
    can I use a address point .1 to join?

    Assuming you're talking about Vetrauen, the answer is No, I'm not gating FidoNet or FsxNet to QWK.

    digital man

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  • From Havok@VERT/HWBBS to Digital Man on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 14:06:16
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Digital Man to Havok on Wed Dec 18 2019 10:43 am


    Assuming you're talking about Vetrauen, the answer is No, I'm not gating FidoNet or FsxNet to QWK.

    That was fast!

    Thanks, that cares care of one thing today, still trying to get doors working
    and door party also. Both throw a error.

    Again, thanks

    Funny I made a script for Mystic users and it works like a dream without
    doing all the autoexec.dm for same doormud and dosconf.dm

    But this is a tough one, I have DOS working like unpacking BRE was a good test. but still throws a SBBS error when I try it out.

    Oh well hack away!



    Havok



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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Havok on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 14:14:25
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Havok to Digital Man on Wed Dec 18 2019 14:06:16

    Thanks, that cares care of one thing today, still trying to get doors working
    and door party also. Both throw a error.

    What error?

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  • From Havok@VERT/HWBBS to echicken on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 15:45:09
    Re: Fidonet
    By: echicken to Havok on Wed Dec 18 2019 02:14 pm


    What error?


    !ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/dmud/

    The sysop has been notified.
    [Hit a key]



    !ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/bre/

    The sysop has been notified.
    [Hit a key]

    Where do I look for better logs on dosemu error's?

    Thanks




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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Havok on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 16:15:00
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Havok to echicken on Wed Dec 18 2019 15:45:09

    !ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/dmud/

    Try correcting that path so that there's a / before 'xtrn'.

    I'm also curious about your DoorParty error. Same as the above, or something else?

    Where do I look for better logs on dosemu error's?

    I have no idea where or if dosemu writes its logs, but hopefully somebody else around here can help with that.

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Havok on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 17:59:48
    On 2019 Dec 18 13:14:32, you wrote to All:

    Question, am I missing something?

    not sure yet...

    When I joined Dovenet I say fidonet and fsxnet in the areas to pick.
    I guess what I'm asking can I just those also through QWK and if so
    can I use a address point .1 to join?

    no... you wouldn't be a point in a FTN at all if you get it over QWK... at best
    you'd be a user of the QWK hub you're getting it from that is gating the area between the QWK and FTN networks...

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  • From Havok@VERT/HWBBS to mark lewis on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 18:22:51
    Re: Fidonet
    By: mark lewis to Havok on Wed Dec 18 2019 05:59 pm

    no... you wouldn't be a point in a FTN at all if you get it over QWK... at best you'd be a user of the QWK hub you're getting it from that is gating the area between the QWK and FTN networks...

    Sounds about right, it did seem like a easy way to be able to gate.

    Just a silly thought between every thing I trying to learn here, but I
    think I have forgotten more of my old SBBS win32 board then what I
    remember.

    Thanks




    Havok


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Havok on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 21:47:00
    Havok wrote to All <=-

    Question, am I missing something?

    When I joined Dovenet I say fidonet and fsxnet in the areas to
    pick.

    I cannot process that sentence, as it makes no sense.

    I guess what I'm asking can I just those also through QWK
    and if so can I use a address point .1 to join?

    I cannot process that sentence either, for the same reason.


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  • From Havok@VERT/HWBBS to Gamgee on Thursday, December 19, 2019 05:27:15
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Gamgee to Havok on Wed Dec 18 2019 09:47 pm


    I cannot process that sentence either, for the same reason.

    I wrote it wrong at the time, sorry.

    Havok

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Havok on Thursday, December 19, 2019 07:03:00
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Havok to echicken on Wed Dec 18 2019 15:45:09


    !ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/dmud/

    i know it has already been pointed out that you're missing a '/' before xtrn...

    Where do I look for better logs on dosemu error's?

    in each node's directory, there'll be a dosemu_boot.log file with the details...


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  • From Altere@VERT/ATHEL to Havok on Thursday, December 19, 2019 10:55:51
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Havok to echicken on Wed Dec 18 2019 03:45 pm

    !ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/dmud/

    The sysop has been notified.
    Where do I look for better logs on dosemu error's?

    Normally in your node directory dosemu_boot.log.

    -altere

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  • From Havok@VERT/HWBBS to Altere on Thursday, December 19, 2019 16:26:48
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Altere to Havok on Thu Dec 19 2019 10:55 am

    Normally in your node directory dosemu_boot.log.

    Thanks that helps a lot, I wont be asking many more questions after being
    barked at.

    Thank you

    Havok

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to RAMPAGE on Thursday, December 19, 2019 18:36:00
    !ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/dmud/

    i know it has already been pointed out that you're missing a '/' before xtrn..

    It also looks like he has his /xtrn dir pointed here like it is under /sbbs/ctrl. Mine is under /sbbs proper, i.e. /sbbs/xtrn.


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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Dumas Walker on Thursday, December 19, 2019 19:59:10
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Dumas Walker to RAMPAGE on Thu Dec 19 2019 18:36:00

    !ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/dmud/

    It also looks like he has his /xtrn dir pointed here like it is under /sbbs/ctrl. Mine is under /sbbs proper, i.e. /sbbs/xtrn.

    More likely he just set the path to '..xtrn/doors/dmud/' in scfg. Unless you provide an absolute path (eg. starting with '/'), these paths are relative to your ctrl directory. The resulting full path is showing up in the log.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Dumas Walker on Thursday, December 19, 2019 17:26:59
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Dumas Walker to RAMPAGE on Thu Dec 19 2019 06:36 pm

    !ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/dmud/

    i know it has already been pointed out that you're missing a '/' before xtrn..

    It also looks like he has his /xtrn dir pointed here like it is under /sbbs/ctrl. Mine is under /sbbs proper, i.e. /sbbs/xtrn.

    /sbbs/xtrn/dmud is the same directory as /sbbs/ctrl/../xtrn/dmud



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  • From Havok@VERT/HWBBS to Digital Man on Friday, December 20, 2019 02:37:21
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Thu Dec 19 2019 05:26 pm

    It also looks like he has his /xtrn dir pointed here like it is under
    /sbbs/ctrl. Mine is under /sbbs proper, i.e. /sbbs/xtrn.

    Small statement here...

    After being TOLD to read the docs

    And the docs state: ../xtrn not /sbbs/xtrn/

    Just reading from the docs



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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Havok on Friday, December 20, 2019 00:11:06
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Havok to Digital Man on Fri Dec 20 2019 02:37 am

    Re: Fidonet
    By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Thu Dec 19 2019 05:26 pm

    It also looks like he has his /xtrn dir pointed here like it is under
    /sbbs/ctrl. Mine is under /sbbs proper, i.e. /sbbs/xtrn.

    Small statement here...

    After being TOLD to read the docs

    And the docs state: ../xtrn not /sbbs/xtrn/

    Just reading from the docs

    From the error message you posted it appears you made a typo: "..xtrn/something" rather than "../xtrn/something". It's been pointed out to you, but perhaps you missed it?

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Havok on Friday, December 20, 2019 14:51:00
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Havok to Digital Man on Fri Dec 20 2019 02:37:21

    Small statement here...

    After being TOLD to read the docs

    And the docs state: ../xtrn not /sbbs/xtrn/

    Just reading from the docs

    You didn't have '../xtrn', you had '..xtrn', and there's a crucial difference.

    If you're going to be bitchy about it, at least try to be correct at the same time. Sorry for being a dick about it, but I'm grumpy today.

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  • From Havok@VERT/HWBBS to echicken on Friday, December 20, 2019 17:00:27
    Re: Fidonet
    By: echicken to Havok on Fri Dec 20 2019 02:51 pm


    If you're going to be bitchy about it, at least try to be correct at the same time. Sorry for being a dick about it, but I'm grumpy today.
    same time. Sorry for being a dick about it, but I'm grumpy today.

    Laughing

    One I wasn't being a dick about it and that statement was pointed to you.

    Two I have thick skin spending years in the service and protecting you!

    Three no big deal



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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Havok on Friday, December 20, 2019 17:35:20
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Havok to echicken on Fri Dec 20 2019 17:00:27

    One I wasn't being a dick about it and that statement was pointed to you.

    I didn't say you were being a dick, but you certainly were complaining about being "TOLD" to read the docs, which you felt were incorrect.

    The docs didn't lead you astray. The configuration error was your own. I just wanted to point that out lest you take this as a reason to avoid consulting the wiki in the future. There's a lot of useful info on there, and it would be a shame if you chose to avoid it.

    Two I have thick skin spending years in the service and protecting you!

    I apologized because I knew I was being rude, not because I assumed you were overly sensitive. I hope that thick skin is keeping you nice and warm up there on that high horse.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ECHICKEN on Friday, December 20, 2019 19:48:00
    More likely he just set the path to '..xtrn/doors/dmud/' in scfg. Unless you p
    ovide an absolute path (eg. starting with '/'), these paths are relative to you
    ctrl directory. The resulting full path is showing up in the log.

    Ahhh.... so the ../xtrn works because it says "one dir up from ctrl, then
    back down xtrn". I did not know that. Glad I know it now! :)


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  • From Havok@VERT/HWBBS to echicken on Saturday, December 21, 2019 03:07:00
    Re: Fidonet
    By: echicken to Havok on Fri Dec 20 2019 05:35 pm

    I didn't say you were being a dick, but you certainly were complaining about being "TOLD" to read the docs, which you felt were incorrect.

    No worries!

    See I have been running a BBS going back to 89 in those old school days people
    a (sysop) would go out of is way to help other sysop's. The DOCS were not as
    good or their were none. I'm old school and use to getting help from other
    sysop's. The only guy I know of that was still like that passed away not to long ago. (Tim Cornett) that guy would spend days helping others.

    As for you, you were right and I apologize.

    But I'll still stay on my high horse.
    No wories...




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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Havok on Saturday, December 21, 2019 13:12:02
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Havok to echicken on Sat Dec 21 2019 03:07:00

    See I have been running a BBS going back to 89 in those old school days people
    a (sysop) would go out of is way to help other sysop's. The DOCS were not as
    good or their were none. I'm old school and use to getting help from other sysop's. The only guy I know of that was still like that passed away not to long ago. (Tim Cornett)
    that guy would spend days helping others.

    We provide a lot of support to fellow sysops here. What we don't want to do is rewrite, rephrase, and repeat what's already written out on the wiki. That's a *lot* of needless typing, copying and pasting.

    I get that being pointed at the wiki feels like a brush-off, but it isn't meant that way, and it isn't all that we do. It may not be what you're accustomed to, but it's still help.

    If you find something unclear or missing from the documentation, or if the instructions didn't seem to work for you, by all means ask for more information, clarification, or help. This is where the docs can be built out more, or some troubleshooting of your setup can happen.

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  • From Havok@VERT/HWBBS to echicken on Saturday, December 21, 2019 14:04:26
    Re: Fidonet
    By: echicken to Havok on Sat Dec 21 2019 01:12 pm


    If you find something unclear or missing from the documentation, or if the instructions didn't seem to work for you, by all means ask for more information, clarification, or help. This is where the docs can be built out more, or some troubleshooting of your setup can happen.

    Tanx...

    Havok

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Havok on Saturday, December 21, 2019 21:58:15
    Re: Fidonet
    By: echicken to Havok on Sat Dec 21 2019 01:12 pm

    See I have been running a BBS going back to 89 in those old school days people
    a (sysop) would go out of is way to help other sysop's. The DOCS were not as

    I'm agree with you Havok. I never could have kept my BBS going without the help of fellow SysOps. One ten minute phone call was worth 2000 words of Docs. The BBS software I used on had Manuals with index's that sucked. ;-)

    H A V E N S B B S havens.synchro.net:23

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Havok on Saturday, December 21, 2019 22:01:11
    Re: Fidonet
    By: echicken to Havok on Sat Dec 21 2019 01:12 pm

    See I have been running a BBS going back to 89 in those old school days people
    a (sysop) would go out of is way to help other sysop's. The DOCS were not as

    I'm in agreement with you Havok. I never could have kept my BBS's going without the help of fellow SysOps. One ten minute phone call was worth 2000 words of Docs. The BBS software I used only had Manuals with index's that sucked. ;-)

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Dumas Walker on Sunday, December 22, 2019 16:36:00
    On 12-20-19 19:48, Dumas Walker wrote to ECHICKEN <=-

    Ahhh.... so the ../xtrn works because it says "one dir up from ctrl,
    then back down xtrn". I did not know that. Glad I know it now! :)

    Correct ".." means the parent directory to the current directory. So if you're sitting in /sbbs/ctrl and do "cd ../xtrn" then you're now in /sbbs/xtrn. :)

    And that works regardless of where SBBS is installed, because the directory structure is the same below the main SBBS directory.


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  • From Havok@VERT/HWBBS to HusTler on Sunday, December 22, 2019 03:05:57
    Re: Fidonet
    By: HusTler to Havok on Sat Dec 21 2019 09:58 pm


    I'm agree with you Havok. I never could have kept my BBS going without the help of fellow SysOps. One ten minute phone call was worth 2000 words of Docs. The BBS software I used on had Manuals with index's that sucked. ;-)

    That was the point I was trying to make, I miss those days!

    Thanks for the reply...



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Sunday, December 22, 2019 11:46:36
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Tony Langdon to Dumas Walker on Sun Dec 22 2019 04:36 pm

    Correct ".." means the parent directory to the current directory. So if you're sitting in /sbbs/ctrl and do "cd ../xtrn" then you're now in /sbbs/xtrn. :)

    And that works regardless of where SBBS is installed, because the directory structure is the same below the main SBBS directory.

    I like using relative paths like that because that makes it easier to move my BBS files if I ever wanted to. I run my BBS in Windows on a D drive, and not directly off the root directory (mine is in D:\BBS\sbbs), which is probably not like most other sysops' setups, and it works fairly well. I didn't have to go modify a bunch of paths for that to work.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Havok on Sunday, December 22, 2019 04:08:31
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Havok to HusTler on Sun Dec 22 2019 03:05 am

    Re: Fidonet
    By: HusTler to Havok on Sat Dec 21 2019 09:58 pm


    I'm agree with you Havok. I never could have kept my BBS going without help of fellow SysOps. One ten minute phone call was worth 2000 words o Docs. The BBS software I used on had Manuals with index's that sucked.

    That was the point I was trying to make, I miss those days!

    Thanks for the reply...


    if the docs dont suck, they are helpful. nowadays people dont like writing them and the undocumented features and other problems can snowball.
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