• Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?

    From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Monday, February 10, 2020 19:33:20
    Could you live with just Linux alone with Synchronet BBS without any other OS on your machine?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Monday, February 10, 2020 21:19:18
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Feb 10 2020 07:33 pm

    Could you live with just Linux alone with Synchronet BBS without any other OS on your machine?

    I have a dedicated PC just for my BBS, and yes, I could get by with just Linux on it with Synchronet running on it. I currently have my BBS running in a Windows VM on that machine, because historially I've been running my BBS on Windows and I haven't been fully motivated to migrate it to Linux yet.. The reason I'm running Linux on that machine is because I wanted a 64-bit OS in order to take advantage of the 16GB of RAM I have in that machine for running other servers (such as Plex), so I decided to install a 64-bit Linux and then run my BBS on it in a Windows VM.

    I've actually thought about migrating my BBS to Linux so I don't have to bother with the VM anymore, but for now I think it has been working well enough as is.

    As far as my main desktop PC, I've considered installing Linux Mint (Cinnamon edition) on it, but there is some software for Windows I still like to use, so for now I still use Windows on my main desktop PC.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 06:45:49
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Feb 10 2020 07:33 pm

    I have a dedicated PC just for my BBS, and yes, I could get by with just Linux on it with Synchronet running on it. I currently have my BBS running in a Windows VM on that machine, because historially I've been running my BBS on Windows and I haven't been fully motivated to migrate it to Linux yet.. The reason I'm running Linux on that machine is because I wanted a 64-bit OS in order to take advantage of the 16GB of RAM I have in that machine for running other servers (such as Plex), so I decided to install a 64-bit Linux and then run my BBS on it in a Windows VM.

    I've actually thought about migrating my BBS to Linux so I don't have to bother with the VM anymore, but for now I think it has been working well enough as is.

    As far as my main desktop PC, I've considered installing Linux Mint (Cinnamon edition) on it, but there is some software for Windows I still like to use, so for now I still use Windows on my main desktop PC.

    Nightfox

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    But will all the hardware detect correctly if the hardware is built for Windows?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Mortifis@VERT/ALLEYCAT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 11:19:45
    Could you live with just Linux alone with Synchronet BBS without any other OS on your machine?

    Up until recently, I had a machine running Slackware dedicated to SBBS; that is all that machine did ... serve Synchronet Bulletin Board System Services, so the answer is, yes!

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 09:45:43
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Feb 11 2020 06:45 am

    But will all the hardware detect correctly if the hardware is built for Windows?

    Hardware generally isn't built for any particular OS. Oftne it's mainly the drivers you'll need to worry about. But on my PC where I have Linux Mint installed, it seems to have detected everything, and everything is working fine on it. Linux has drivers for a lot of common PC hardware these days.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 10:11:00
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Feb 11 2020 06:45 am

    Hardware generally isn't built for any particular OS. Oftne it's mainly the drivers you'll need to worry about. But on my PC where I have Linux Mint installed, it seems to have detected everything, and everything is working fine on it. Linux has drivers for a lot of common PC hardware these days.

    Nightfox

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    Well that makes me feel better now because in the olden days I had a lot of problems with drivers.
    You just boosted my confidence back to Linux. I hear MX Linux is the most popular. Why did you pick Mint instead?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 13:32:45
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Feb 10 2020 19:33:20

    Could you live with just Linux alone with Synchronet BBS without any other OS
    on your machine?

    No, I need to have Linux, Synchronet, Windows, and typically at least one other OS on my machine. I would probably die otherwise.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 13:18:41
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Feb 10 2020 07:33 pm

    Could you live with just Linux alone with Synchronet BBS without any other OS on your machine?

    Sure, that's easy. I do it already

    Granted, most people have multiple computers or run VMs for their BBS install.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 15:18:59
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Feb 11 2020 06:45:49


    But will all the hardware detect correctly if the hardware is built for Windows?

    linux folks don't buy hardware that is windows only ;)


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 15:21:23
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Feb 11 2020 09:45:43


    But will all the hardware detect correctly if the hardware is built for Windows?

    Hardware generally isn't built for any particular OS.

    winmodems and winprinters certainly were... the actual working code that normally resides in the hardware was moved into software... supposedly to make them cheaper but it also was another of m$'s underhanded tricks to try to give windows more of a boost in the market place...


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Rampage on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 14:51:30
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Feb 11 2020 06:45:49

    linux folks don't buy hardware that is windows only ;)

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    No, granted that that. But they will buy a Windows PC and put Linux on it though.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 14:59:02
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Feb 11 2020 09:45 am

    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Feb 11 2020 06:45 am

    But will all the hardware detect correctly if the hardware is built for Windows?

    Hardware generally isn't built for any particular OS.

    I think most computer hardware is built for a particular OS (e.g. pretty much all products from Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Amazon). That doens't mean it's impossible to run Windows or Linux on a Mac (for example), but it's certianly not "built" for that.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 15:01:01
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Feb 11 2020 09:45 am

    I think most computer hardware is built for a particular OS (e.g. pretty much all products from Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Amazon). That doens't mean it's impossible to run Windows or Linux on a Mac (for example), but it's certianly not "built" for that.

    digital man

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    So you're saying that a Linux machine should have Linux hardware built inside it.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 15:07:20
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Feb 11 2020 03:01 pm


    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Feb 11 2020 09:45 am

    I think most computer hardware is built for a particular OS (e.g. pretty much all products from Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Amazon). That doens't mean it's impossible to run Windows or Linux on a Mac (for example), but it's certianly not "built" for that.

    So you're saying that a Linux machine should have Linux hardware built inside it.

    No. I'm saying that most comuter hardware is built for a particular OS. You can buy a "generic PC" that'd run Linux or Windows, possibly equally well, but that doesn't constitute the majority of computer hardware. For example, if you buy a Chromebook, good luck getting MacOS to run on it. If you buy a PC from Dell or HP, it's likely only certitifed for use with Windows. It may run Linux just fine, but that doesn't mean it was "built for it".

    digital man

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 15:11:05
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Feb 11 2020 03:01 pm

    No. I'm saying that most comuter hardware is built for a particular OS. You can buy a "generic PC" that'd run Linux or Windows, possibly equally well, but that doesn't constitute the majority of computer hardware. For example, if you buy a Chromebook, good luck getting MacOS to run on it. If you buy a PC from Dell or HP, it's likely only certitifed for use with Windows. It may run Linux just fine, but that doesn't mean it was "built for it".

    digital man

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    Well I had problems with Linux in the olden days back in the mid 2000s saying things like:

    "Nvidia Card Not Detected"

    I'd say oh great.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 15:55:00
    The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    drivers you'll need to worry about. But on my PC where I have Linux Mint installed, it seems to have detected everything, and everything is working fine on it. Linux has drivers for a lot of common PC hardware these days.

    Well that makes me feel better now because in the olden days I
    had a lot of problems with drivers.
    You just boosted my confidence back to Linux. I hear MX Linux is
    the most popular. Why did you pick Mint instead?

    Could you take this somewhere else? It really is not related to
    Synchronet in any manner. This message area is for Synchronet
    Discussion.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rampage on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 16:06:29
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Rampage to Nightfox on Tue Feb 11 2020 03:21 pm

    Hardware generally isn't built for any particular OS.

    winmodems and winprinters certainly were... the actual working code that normally resides in the hardware was moved into software... supposedly to make them cheaper but it also was another of m$'s underhanded tricks to try to give windows more of a boost in the market place...

    True, but I think those were exceptions. I didn't see many hardware designed for Windows. And technically it would be possible for a Winmodem to work in Linux if someone wanted to write a driver for Linux.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 16:05:17
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Feb 11 2020 10:11 am

    Well that makes me feel better now because in the olden days I had a lot of problems with drivers.
    You just boosted my confidence back to Linux. I hear MX Linux is the most popular. Why did you pick Mint instead?

    I've never heard of MX Linux.. I've tried many distros over the years, and several years ago, I found Mint Linux and tried the one with its 'Cinnamon' GUI. I really liked it because it felt fairly intuitive, coming from other operating systems. Also, it seems fairly easy to update and install new software. I've actually hear Linux Mint is one of the most popular distros right now. And I thought Ubuntu was the most popular Linux distro right now.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 16:12:33
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Feb 11 2020 02:59 pm

    Hardware generally isn't built for any particular OS.

    I think most computer hardware is built for a particular OS (e.g. pretty much all products from Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Amazon). That doens't mean it's impossible to run Windows or Linux on a Mac (for example), but it's certianly not "built" for that.

    Even then, it seems most of such hardware can work in another operating system. Most PC hardware & peripheral manufacturers tend to always at least make a Windows driver, but I've found you can install Linux on a PC and many Linux distributions will detect a majority of common PC hardware. If not, there are also proprietary Linux drivers you can download for some devices (such as Nvidia drivers for their graphics cards). Other big companies, such as Intel, have been doing a lot to support Linux too. I generally haven't had a problem with hardware compatibility with Linux lately. On my Linux Mint machine, I even have a Microsoft USB mouse plugged into it, and it works just fine in Linux.

    Even some things that may be advertised to be designed for phones can work with a PC. For instance, quite a while ago I bought a pair of over-ear headphones with a built-in mic, which made it seem like something designed for use for phone calls & music on a phone (it's bluetooth), but I've been able to pair it with my PC (since my PC supports bluetooth) and it works with my PC too.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 16:27:08
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Tue Feb 11 2020 03:07 pm

    No. I'm saying that most comuter hardware is built for a particular OS. You can buy a "generic PC" that'd run Linux or Windows, possibly equally well, but that doesn't constitute the majority of computer hardware. For example, if you buy a Chromebook, good luck getting MacOS to run on it. If you buy a PC from Dell or HP, it's likely only certitifed for use with Windows. It may run Linux just fine, but that doesn't mean it was "built for it".

    A Chromebook is a fairly specialized type of computer, and I wouldn't necessarily expect Windows or Linux to run well on it compared to Chrome OS.

    I'm used to building my own desktop PC (which I have done since the early/mid 90s). I've often seen pieces of hardware that work better with a particular OS. Generally I've avoided hardware that only works with a specific OS (such as WinModems). In the mid-90s, I had an S3 Virge video card and was running mainly DOS & Windows at the time, but at one point I dual-booted OS/2 and DOS/Windows, and found that the S3 Virge was slow in OS/2 (and known to be slow). I swapped it out for a Matrox Millennium G200, which worked well with both.

    In recent years, I've had pretty good luck with Linux. My Linux Mint PC is one that I built as a dedicated PC for my BBS, and originally I had Windows on it. Then I wanted to upgrade the RAM and installed the 64-bit Linux Mint on it so I could take advantage of >16GB of RAM, and Linux Mint runs without any problems on it. I'm currently running a Plex server (for Linux) & a couple other things on that machine, along with my BBS (in a Windows VM).

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 16:28:28
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Feb 11 2020 03:11 pm

    Well I had problems with Linux in the olden days back in the mid 2000s saying things like:

    "Nvidia Card Not Detected"

    I'd say oh great.

    That's when you install the Nvidia driver.. I dabbled in Linux a bit back in those days, and I found you usually had to manually download and install the Nvidia graphics driver. The Nvidia drivers always worked fairly well though, so generally the Nvidia drier installation went well, and my Linux setup was able to make full use of the Nvidia graphics card.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 16:38:06
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Feb 11 2020 03:11 pm

    That's when you install the Nvidia driver.. I dabbled in Linux a bit back in those days, and I found you usually had to manually download and install the Nvidia graphics driver. The Nvidia drivers always worked fairly well though, so generally the Nvidia drier installation went well, and my Linux setup was able to make full use of the Nvidia graphics card.

    Nightfox

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    Where do you get the driver from?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to THE MILLIONAIRE on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 18:44:00
    Could you live with just Linux alone with Synchronet BBS without any other OS on your machine?

    There has never been another OS on this machine.


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 19:35:43
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Rampage on Tue Feb 11 2020 14:51:30


    linux folks don't buy hardware that is windows only ;)

    No, granted that that. But they will buy a Windows PC and put Linux on it though.

    there's really no such thing as a "windows pc"... marketing does try to make folks think differently, though...


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  • From Netsurge@VERT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 20:18:44
    So you're saying that a Linux machine should have Linux hardware built inside it.

    *facepalm*

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Netsurge on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 17:46:45
    *facepalm*

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    Well Dell does.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/02/dells-2019-xps-13-developer-edition-the -best-linux-laptop-til-the-2020-version/

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  • From Altere@VERT/ATHEL to Digital Man on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 19:55:03
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Tue Feb 11 2020 03:07 pm

    I think most computer hardware is built for a particular OS (e.g.
    That doens't mean it's impossible to run Windows or Linux on a Mac
    (for example), but it's certianly not "built" for that.

    So you're saying that a Linux machine should have Linux hardware built
    inside it.

    example, if you buy a Chromebook, good luck getting MacOS to run on it. If you buy a PC from Dell or HP, it's likely only certitifed for use with Windows. It may run Linux just fine, but that doesn't mean it was "built for it".

    I'm not sure about HP even though we're partners with both but most of Dell's SMB dekstops/laptops (possibly consumer as well) can be pre-installed with Linux rather than Windows now. There servers have been for quite a while now. You probably won't find these in stores though.

    Additionally, I think hardware was build with a single OS in mind years ago which is why drivers took a while to come out for another OS, depending on popularity. Today, there's more designed to work with multiple OS's to where some generic drivers will work until an official driver is released. Apple, however, simply likes to keep things more proprietary, not to say it's impossible for another OS to run on Apple, but why would be the question. lol
    -altere

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to The Millionaire on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 13:21:00
    On 02-11-20 10:11, The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Well that makes me feel better now because in the olden days I had a
    lot of problems with drivers.
    You just boosted my confidence back to Linux. I hear MX Linux is the
    most popular. Why did you pick Mint instead?

    Not sure where you heard that from, I haven't heard of MX Linux. Ubuntu is the name that comes up most often, though I quite like Mint with the Cinnamon interface for desktop use.

    And I agree with Nightfox in that Linux tends to ship with drivers for the vast majority of modern hardware, and when installed, it "just works". I do suggest allowing the system to install "non free" drivers when installing it. This allows proprietary drives supplied by the hardware manufacturers to be used where available/needed.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to echicken on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 13:22:00
    On 02-11-20 13:32, echicken wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Feb 10 2020 19:33:20

    Could you live with just Linux alone with Synchronet BBS without any other

    OS
    on your machine?

    No, I need to have Linux, Synchronet, Windows, and typically at least
    one other OS on my machine. I would probably die otherwise.

    I have multiple machines. I can't handle multi boot, too much time spent rebooting. :/


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 13:25:00
    On 02-11-20 16:06, Nightfox wrote to Rampage <=-

    True, but I think those were exceptions. I didn't see many hardware designed for Windows. And technically it would be possible for a
    Winmodem to work in Linux if someone wanted to write a driver for
    Linux.

    There was a "Linmodem" project at one stage to do just that.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 13:29:00
    On 02-11-20 16:28, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    That's when you install the Nvidia driver.. I dabbled in Linux a bit
    back in those days, and I found you usually had to manually download
    and install the Nvidia graphics driver. The Nvidia drivers always
    worked fairly well though, so generally the Nvidia drier installation
    went well, and my Linux setup was able to make full use of the Nvidia graphics card.

    Some Linux distributions (like Mint) also offer to install "non free" drivers, if you let them, making the installation of these proprietary drivers as painless as doing it under Windows, or installing the open source ones. The only time proprietary drivers are a pain is when it's the Ethernet or wifi drivers that you need for Internet access. Then you have to jump through a few hoops, until you get Internet connectivity. Once you're connected, you can fetch anything that's needed, usually automatically.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 20:40:00
    The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    That's when you install the Nvidia driver.. I dabbled in Linux a bit back
    in
    those days, and I found you usually had to manually download and install the Nvidia graphics driver. The Nvidia drivers always worked fairly well
    though,
    so generally the Nvidia drier installation went well, and my Linux setup was able to make full use of the Nvidia graphics card.

    Where do you get the driver from?

    Ummmmmmm...... The Nvidia website.

    <BOGGLE>



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 20:40:00
    The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-

    I think most computer hardware is built for a particular OS (e.g. pretty
    much
    all products from Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Amazon). That doens't mean it's impossible to run Windows or Linux on a Mac (for example), but it's certianly not "built" for that.

    So you're saying that a Linux machine should have Linux hardware
    built inside it.

    No, that's not what he said.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 20:45:00
    The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Well I had problems with Linux in the olden days back in the mid
    2000s saying things like:

    For me, Linux in the mid 2000s was not the "olden days". I'd call
    that period the "developmental days" when big advances were being
    made in the Linux world. I'd been using Linux for at least a
    decade at that point, and things seemed relatively easy.

    "Nvidia Card Not Detected"

    Well, yeah. Have to install the (proprietary) driver.

    I'd say oh great.

    That almost certainly did not solve the issue.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 20:53:00
    Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Well that makes me feel better now because in the olden days I had a lot of problems with drivers.
    You just boosted my confidence back to Linux. I hear MX Linux is the most popular. Why did you pick Mint instead?

    I've never heard of MX Linux.. I've tried many distros over the
    years, and several years ago, I found Mint Linux and tried the
    one with its 'Cinnamon' GUI. I really liked it because it felt
    fairly intuitive, coming from other operating systems. Also, it
    seems fairly easy to update and install new software. I've
    actually hear Linux Mint is one of the most popular distros right
    now. And I thought Ubuntu was the most popular Linux distro
    right now.

    MX Linux is quite popular today. I've tried it and like it a lot
    better than most of the other "popular" ones. It's yet another
    Debian-based offshoot, but has some nice customizations, and most
    importantly (to me) is that it does *NOT* use the 'systemd' init
    system. I've also tried/used Mint-Cinnamon and it was pretty nice
    too. Ubuntu has been in decline for several years as far as the
    popularity contest goes, it's widely used but not like it was a
    few years back.

    This site: https://distrowatch.com/ is a decent source of info
    on most of the distros in use today. On the right side is a
    current list of the "popularity" of the distros, but isn't really
    the full story. I believe it's a hit-counter of which distros get
    clicked on the most on this site, but it does provide a little
    insight as to what people are wanting to find out about.

    Another factor in this is what the distro is likely to be used
    for. Most commercial/industrial uses won't be using
    Mint/Ubuntu/Fedora, etc... they are using Debian, RedHat,
    Slackware type distros.

    Anyway, SBBS is running very nicely here on a dedicated machine
    running 64-bit Slackware. :-)



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 19:45:33
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Feb 11 2020 04:38 pm

    That's when you install the Nvidia driver.. I dabbled in Linux a bit

    Where do you get the driver from?

    From Nvidia..
    https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/114708/en-us

    In some Linux distibutions, I've also seen Linux package management systems where they have additional repositories you can set up so you can install such proprietary drivers through the package management system.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 19:46:28
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 01:29 pm

    Some Linux distributions (like Mint) also offer to install "non free" drivers, if you let them, making the installation of these proprietary drivers as painless as doing it under Windows, or installing the open source ones. The only time proprietary drivers are a pain is when it's the Ethernet or wifi drivers that you need for Internet access. Then you have to jump through a few hoops, until you get Internet connectivity. Once you're connected, you can fetch anything that's needed, usually automatically.

    Yep, that's true.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rampage on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 19:48:56
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Rampage to The Millionaire on Tue Feb 11 2020 07:35 pm

    there's really no such thing as a "windows pc"... marketing does try to make folks think differently, though...

    By that, I think they just mean a PC that has Windows installed & running on it, presumably with hardware that is compatible with Windows.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 19:50:32
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Netsurge on Tue Feb 11 2020 05:46 pm

    Well Dell does.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/02/dells-2019-xps-13-developer-editio n-the -best-linux-laptop-til-the-2020-version/

    All that really means is that laptop has hardware that is compatible with Linux. In my experience, even on a PC that has hardware chosen for compatibility with Windows, a modern Linux distribution can still detect a lot of common computer hardware and use it.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Altere on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 19:53:07
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Altere to Digital Man on Tue Feb 11 2020 07:55 pm

    driver is released. Apple, however, simply likes to keep things more proprietary, not to say it's impossible for another OS to run on Apple, but why would be the question. lol -altere

    The last time I used a Mac (in 2012), Apple had Windows versions of the drivers required to run Windows on a Mac. Apple wanted to allow people to dual boot Windows and Mac OS on their Macs. Apple advertised their Macs as being one of the most compatible computers on the market, for being able to run both Mac OS and Windows so you can run pretty much whatever software you want.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Rampage on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 21:56:32
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Rampage to Nightfox on Tue Feb 11 2020 03:21 pm

    them cheaper but it also was another of m$'s underhanded tricks to try to gi windows more of a boost in the market place...


    microsoft has nothing to do with hardware. it was no underhanded trick.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 20:43:58
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Tue Feb 11 2020 08:53 pm

    MX Linux is quite popular today. I've tried it and like it a lot
    better than most of the other "popular" ones. It's yet another Debian-based offshoot, but has some nice customizations, and most importantly (to me) is that it does *NOT* use the 'systemd' init
    system. I've also tried/used Mint-Cinnamon and it was pretty nice
    too. Ubuntu has been in decline for several years as far as the popularity contest goes, it's widely used but not like it was a
    few years back.

    I suppose I should check out MX Linux.

    This site: https://distrowatch.com/ is a decent source of info

    I've seen their site but haven't been there in quite a while.

    Another factor in this is what the distro is likely to be used
    for. Most commercial/industrial uses won't be using
    Mint/Ubuntu/Fedora, etc... they are using Debian, RedHat,
    Slackware type distros.

    Ubuntu was fairly popular for a long time though.. And Ubuntu is a Debian-based distro, isn't it?

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Gamgee on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 19:33:00
    On 02-11-20 20:40, Gamgee wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    That's when you install the Nvidia driver.. I dabbled in Linux a bit back
    in
    those days, and I found you usually had to manually download and install the Nvidia graphics driver. The Nvidia drivers always worked fairly well
    though,
    so generally the Nvidia drier installation went well, and my Linux setup was able to make full use of the Nvidia graphics card.

    Where do you get the driver from?

    Ummmmmmm...... The Nvidia website.

    <BOGGLE>

    Not even that, It's likely the distribution's own "non free" repository has the proprietary drivers.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Gamgee on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 19:35:00
    On 02-11-20 20:45, Gamgee wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Well I had problems with Linux in the olden days back in the mid
    2000s saying things like:

    For me, Linux in the mid 2000s was not the "olden days". I'd call
    that period the "developmental days" when big advances were being
    made in the Linux world. I'd been using Linux for at least a
    decade at that point, and things seemed relatively easy.

    Same here, I started using Linux in 1995. By 2005 it was much easier to install and setup, and that's steadily improved to this day.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Gamgee on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 19:38:00
    On 02-11-20 20:53, Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

    MX Linux is quite popular today. I've tried it and like it a lot
    better than most of the other "popular" ones. It's yet another Debian-based offshoot, but has some nice customizations, and most importantly (to me) is that it does *NOT* use the 'systemd' init
    system. I've also tried/used Mint-Cinnamon and it was pretty nice

    Sounds quite good. I might investigate MX myself.

    Another factor in this is what the distro is likely to be used
    for. Most commercial/industrial uses won't be using
    Mint/Ubuntu/Fedora, etc... they are using Debian, RedHat,
    Slackware type distros.

    I tend to use Debian for server applications myself, or CentOS if the server requires software that is suited to a Red Hat environment.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 19:39:00
    On 02-11-20 19:45, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    In some Linux distibutions, I've also seen Linux package management systems where they have additional repositories you can set up so you
    can install such proprietary drivers through the package management system.

    Yes, I've seen that on a number of distros (Debian based) through a "non free" repo.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 19:41:00
    On 02-11-20 19:53, Nightfox wrote to Altere <=-

    The last time I used a Mac (in 2012), Apple had Windows versions of the drivers required to run Windows on a Mac. Apple wanted to allow people
    to dual boot Windows and Mac OS on their Macs. Apple advertised their Macs as being one of the most compatible computers on the market, for being able to run both Mac OS and Windows so you can run pretty much whatever software you want.

    Boot Camp was quite popular back then for dual booting OS X and Windows on a Mac. It makes sense that there would be Windows drivers for Mac hardware.


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 04:48:48
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Tue Feb 11 2020 08:53 pm

    I suppose I should check out MX Linux.

    I've seen their site but haven't been there in quite a while.

    Ubuntu was fairly popular for a long time though.. And Ubuntu is a Debian-based distro, isn't it?

    Nightfox

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    Still is but according to Distrowatch, MX Linux is still #1.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 05:10:06
    Could you live with just Linux alone with Synchronet BBS without any other OS on your machine?

    $ The Millionaire $


    The history is that when I first started using Linux back in the mid 2000s, while I had Windows as a 2nd OS, I started with Ubuntu, then I tried others like Kubuntu (reminds me of Windows and very big footprint for memory), then Fedora, OpenSuse, but went back to Ubuntu instead. I remember using WINE and some win prgs worked while others didn't. Loved using GAIM which became
    PIDGIN later. The X11 screensavers were pretty cool too. Loved the circuit one the best. Synchronet installed fine through WINE but had port issues. Had a problem with my EYETV card. Had to use workarounds and sometimes the audio would work sometimes not. That was a real pain for me. KARDSGT was pretty cool and allowed me to play cribbage on it. Also played the dos version through WINE.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Altere@VERT/ATHEL to The Millionaire on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 07:47:01
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 04:48 am

    I suppose I should check out MX Linux.

    I've seen their site but haven't been there in quite a while.

    Ubuntu was fairly popular for a long time though.. And Ubuntu is a
    Debian-based distro, isn't it?

    Still is but according to Distrowatch, MX Linux is still #1.

    Don't get all your information from a single source and think it's golden. Searching on google for "2020 most popular linux distro" will give you several different results. One saying Linux Mint is #1 right now, another not even mentioning MX Linux, another saying MX Linux is on the rise to polularity, another saying Elementary OS, etc. etc.. Now if you want to take that search further and put "server" between linux and distro, you're going to get totally different results.

    Finding a linux distro isn't about going after the most popular, it's finding one that fits your needs and preferences.
    -altere

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Altere on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 06:12:39
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 04:48 am

    Don't get all your information from a single source and think it's golden. Searching on google for "2020 most popular linux distro" will give you several different results. One saying Linux Mint is #1 right now, another not even mentioning MX Linux, another saying MX Linux is on the rise to polularity, another saying Elementary OS, etc. etc.. Now if you want to take that search further and put "server" between linux and distro, you're going to get totally different results.

    Finding a linux distro isn't about going after the most popular, it's finding one that fits your needs and preferences.
    -altere

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    There's like a 100 out there now. Wow, I remember when there was only Ubuntu out there at the time.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Mortifis@VERT/ALLEYCAT to The Millionaire on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 10:48:34
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 04:48 am

    Don't get all your information from a single source and think it's golden. Searching on google for "2020 most popular linux distro" will give you several different results. One saying Linux Mint is #1 right now, another not even mentioning MX Linux, another saying MX Linux is on the rise to polularity, another saying Elementary OS, etc. etc.. Now if you want to take that search further and put "server" between linux and distro, you're going to get totally different results.

    Finding a linux distro isn't about going after the most popular, it's finding one that fits your needs and preferences.
    -altere

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    There's like a 100 out there now. Wow, I remember when there was only Ubuntu out there at the time.

    $ The Millionaire $

    up for a challenge? install Slackware Linux 14.2 without a GUI and CLI everything :-P The first 'slackware' version I used was a pre-release 0.9a which was still Softlanding Linux System ... then I installed Slackware v 1.0 and just about every release since then ... and I still suck at the Linux command line LOL

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Mortifis on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 07:05:27
    up for a challenge? install Slackware Linux 14.2 without a GUI and CLI everything :-P The first 'slackware' version I used was a pre-release 0.9a which was still Softlanding Linux System ... then I installed Slackware v 1.0 and just about every release since then ... and I still suck at the Linux command line LOL

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    Yeah BASH terminal can be very complicated at times.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 08:40:00
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    MX Linux is quite popular today. I've tried it and like it a lot
    better than most of the other "popular" ones. It's yet another Debian-based offshoot, but has some nice customizations, and most importantly (to me) is that it does *NOT* use the 'systemd' init
    system. I've also tried/used Mint-Cinnamon and it was pretty nice
    too. Ubuntu has been in decline for several years as far as the
    popularity contest goes, it's widely used but not like it was a
    few years back.

    I suppose I should check out MX Linux.

    Yep, it's worth a look.

    This site: https://distrowatch.com/ is a decent source of info

    I've seen their site but haven't been there in quite a while.

    I use it for some technical details about various distros, like
    what version of something they include, and what package/init
    system they use. The ranking/popularity info should be taken with
    a few grains of salt, though.

    Another factor in this is what the distro is likely to be used
    for. Most commercial/industrial uses won't be using
    Mint/Ubuntu/Fedora, etc... they are using Debian, RedHat,
    Slackware type distros.

    Ubuntu was fairly popular for a long time though.. And Ubuntu is
    a Debian-based distro, isn't it?

    It is Debian-based, and it is still pretty popular but not as much
    as when it was the new-kid-on-the-block and was marketed as
    n00b-friendly. It is friendly/easy for newcomers, but so are MANY
    others nowadays.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Tony Langdon on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 08:42:00
    Tony Langdon wrote to Gamgee <=-

    so generally the Nvidia drier installation went well, and my Linux setup was able to make full use of the Nvidia graphics card.

    Where do you get the driver from?

    Ummmmmmm...... The Nvidia website.

    Not even that, It's likely the distribution's own "non free"
    repository has the proprietary drivers.

    Well, that's assuming the distro *HAS* a repository... not all do.
    There's more to Linux than Debian and it's offspring. ;-)

    Another reason to get it directly from Nvidia is that the driver
    is very likely to be newer than what's in a repository.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Tony Langdon on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 08:44:00
    Tony Langdon wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Well I had problems with Linux in the olden days back in the mid
    2000s saying things like:

    For me, Linux in the mid 2000s was not the "olden days". I'd call
    that period the "developmental days" when big advances were being
    made in the Linux world. I'd been using Linux for at least a
    decade at that point, and things seemed relatively easy.

    Same here, I started using Linux in 1995. By 2005 it was much
    easier to install and setup, and that's steadily improved to this
    day.

    Yep, it's truly amazing how far things have come in the Linux
    world. In most cases today, I think it's easier to install a
    Linux distro than it is to install Windows, and usually no
    additional fiddling (drivers/tweaks) are needed afterwards.

    Plus, there's the cost difference. :-)



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Tony Langdon on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 08:48:00
    Tony Langdon wrote to Gamgee <=-

    MX Linux is quite popular today. I've tried it and like it a lot
    better than most of the other "popular" ones. It's yet another Debian-based offshoot, but has some nice customizations, and most importantly (to me) is that it does *NOT* use the 'systemd' init
    system. I've also tried/used Mint-Cinnamon and it was pretty nice

    Sounds quite good. I might investigate MX myself.

    I think it's worth a look. Seems to be solid and done better than
    many of the newer distros.

    Another factor in this is what the distro is likely to be used
    for. Most commercial/industrial uses won't be using
    Mint/Ubuntu/Fedora, etc... they are using Debian, RedHat,
    Slackware type distros.

    I tend to use Debian for server applications myself, or CentOS if
    the server requires software that is suited to a Red Hat
    environment.

    Absolutely. I'm a Slackware guy myself, but use Debian (and some
    variants) also. Haven't played with RedHat/CentOS since it went
    commercial a long time ago.



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  • From Mortifis@VERT/ALLEYCAT to The Millionaire on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 12:49:22
    up for a challenge? install Slackware Linux 14.2 without a GUI and CLI everything :-P The first 'slackware' version I used was a pre-release 0.9a which was still Softlanding Linux System ... then I installed Slackware v 1.0 and just about every release since then ... and I still suck at the Linux command line LOL

    Yeah BASH terminal can be very complicated at times.

    $ The Millionaire $



    I am not religious and certainly not Borne Again ... I am into Heavy Metal so I
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  • From Dan Cross@VERT to Mortifis on Thursday, February 13, 2020 06:03:18
    On 12 Feb 2020 at 12:49p, Mortifis pondered and said...

    I am not religious and certainly not Borne Again ...

    Apparently not British either (it's "Bourne" :-)).

    I am into Heavy Metal so I use Korn LOL

    True story: The first time I met David Korn, he was
    wearing a "Korn" (as in, the band) T-shirt.

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 11:59:20
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Feb 11 2020 15:01:01

    So you're saying that a Linux machine should have Linux hardware built inside
    it.

    It needs a Linux chip in order to bootstrap the kernel into the RAMs.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 09:37:11
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 07:41 pm

    Boot Camp was quite popular back then for dual booting OS X and Windows on a Mac. It makes sense that there would be Windows drivers for Mac hardware.

    You say 'was' - Is Boot Camp no longer a popular option for Mac users?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 09:38:26
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 04:48 am

    Still is but according to Distrowatch, MX Linux is still #1.

    Interesting.. Though I still like Linux Mint. I often don't use a Linux distribution based on what's most popular.. I started using Linux Mint when Ubuntu was popular. Ubuntu is fine, but I didn't like the default GUI included with Ubuntu. Though I later found that you can install the Cinnamon GUI in Ubuntu..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 09:43:38
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 08:40 am

    I use it for some technical details about various distros, like
    what version of something they include, and what package/init
    system they use. The ranking/popularity info should be taken with
    a few grains of salt, though.

    Yeah, I usually haven't used a Linux distro just because of its popularity. I started using Linux Mint when Ubuntu was still probably the most popular distro. I think Ubuntu is okay, but I didn't really like the GUI that it came with. I like Cinnamon in Linux Mint, though later I found that Cinnamon can be installed and used in Ubuntu.

    Ubuntu was fairly popular for a long time though.. And Ubuntu is
    a Debian-based distro, isn't it?

    It is Debian-based, and it is still pretty popular but not as much
    as when it was the new-kid-on-the-block and was marketed as n00b-friendly. It is friendly/easy for newcomers, but so are MANY
    others nowadays.

    Some people complain that fragmentation can be a bad thing with some markets (i.e., the Android phone market and the Linux market). I can see how the number of Linux distributions could hamper its popularity. For one, it can be difficult for companies to support multiple distributions, which might have different package management systems and dependencies. For them, the different Linux distros might as well all be treated as separate operating systems entirely, at least for testing their software. Also I think it could create some confusion for consumers who aren't really aware of the differences in the different distributions.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 09:48:30
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tony Langdon to Gamgee on Wed Feb 12 2020 07:33 pm

    setup was able to make full use of the Nvidia graphics card.

    Where do you get the driver from?

    Ummmmmmm...... The Nvidia website.

    <BOGGLE>

    Not even that, It's likely the distribution's own "non free" repository has the proprietary drivers.

    The driver in the distro's "non free" repository is probably the same one from Nvidia.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 09:51:10
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Feb 12 2020 05:10 am

    The history is that when I first started using Linux back in the mid 2000s, while I had Windows as a 2nd OS, I started with Ubuntu, then I tried others like Kubuntu (reminds me of Windows and very big footprint for memory), then Fedora, OpenSuse, but went back to Ubuntu instead. I remember using WINE and some win prgs worked while others didn't. Loved using GAIM which became PIDGIN later. The X11 screensavers were pretty cool too. Loved the circuit one the best. Synchronet installed fine through WINE but had port issues. Had a problem with my EYETV card. Had to use workarounds and sometimes the audio would work sometimes not. That was a real pain for me. KARDSGT was pretty cool and allowed me to play

    But Synchronet is available in a Linux-native version.. What's the point of running the Windows version of Synchronet through WINE on Linux? Seems like that's making things more complicated than it needs to be.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 09:54:24
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Altere on Wed Feb 12 2020 06:12 am

    There's like a 100 out there now. Wow, I remember when there was only Ubuntu out there at the time.

    Uh, what? Ubuntu was never the only Linux distro available. Ubuntu came out in 2004, and there were many other Linux distros available at the time.. In 2004, I remember there was also OpenSuse (maybe it was still just SuSE at the time), Gentoo, Fedora, RedHat, Slackware, and many others.. There have always been many Linux distros available.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mortifis on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 09:56:03
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Mortifis to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 12 2020 10:48 am

    up for a challenge? install Slackware Linux 14.2 without a GUI and CLI everything :-P The first 'slackware' version I used was a pre-release 0.9a which was still Softlanding Linux System ... then I installed Slackware v 1.0 and just about every release since then ... and I still suck at the Linux command line LOL

    In 2004, I was trying out Gentoo Linux, and chose the version of Gentoo where you'd build everything from the ground up (so you could optimize the build settings for your machine). I was trying it on a laptop, so it wasn't the most powerful PC already, and building something like XFree and Gnome took maybe 8 hours or so..

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 13:19:12
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: MRO to Rampage on Tue Feb 11 2020 09:56 pm

    Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Rampage to Nightfox on Tue Feb 11 2020 03:21 pm

    them cheaper but it also was another of m$'s underhanded tricks to try to gi windows more of a boost in the market place...


    microsoft has nothing to do with hardware. it was no underhanded trick.

    <ahem> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_hardware

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Gamgee on Thursday, February 13, 2020 07:26:00
    On 02-12-20 08:42, Gamgee wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Well, that's assuming the distro *HAS* a repository... not all do.
    There's more to Linux than Debian and it's offspring. ;-)

    True, but I'd say the majority have some sort of repository - that covers all of the Debian family, and the Red Hat family, plus some others with their own systems. Sure, it's not _all_, but it's the majority.

    Another reason to get it directly from Nvidia is that the driver
    is very likely to be newer than what's in a repository.

    True.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Gamgee on Thursday, February 13, 2020 07:31:00
    On 02-12-20 08:44, Gamgee wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Yep, it's truly amazing how far things have come in the Linux
    world. In most cases today, I think it's easier to install a
    Linux distro than it is to install Windows, and usually no
    additional fiddling (drivers/tweaks) are needed afterwards.

    I'd rank them roughly equivalent in difficulty now - both fairly easy to install. On some hardware, Linux can be quirky. I have some netbooks that need non free network drivers, which means manually downloading them and loading them off a USB stick, before the installation can proceed properly. But the same netbooks needed additional drivers for Windows that had to be downloaded manually. Linux probably actually scored a bit ahead, because once the networking is up, everything could be fetched autoimatically, whereas Windows needed manual installs.

    I do have one monitor that needs an Xorg.conf with custom Modelines created to get native resolution, otherwise the screen looks crap. But again, Windows Vista couldn't properly detect the monitor either, and googling for the driver didn't help. Again, Linux won, because one could get under the hood and tweak. :)

    Plus, there's the cost difference. :-)

    True. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Gamgee on Thursday, February 13, 2020 07:36:00
    On 02-12-20 08:48, Gamgee wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Sounds quite good. I might investigate MX myself.

    I think it's worth a look. Seems to be solid and done better than
    many of the newer distros.

    I'm getting that impression.

    Absolutely. I'm a Slackware guy myself, but use Debian (and some variants) also. Haven't played with RedHat/CentOS since it went commercial a long time ago.

    I've used CentOS a fair bit, and for some software, it was a must, because the software was specifically designed for a Red Hat environment - typically commercial binaries, in case you're wondering. :)

    I used Slackware way back, and found it a solid distro, but a bit harder to maintain in the long run, at least at the time, because by then, Red Hat and Debian had package managers in place that looked after dependencies, etc (rpm, dpkg, etc) and Debian also had apt. IIRC, yum came on the scene a bit later for Red Hat, and there was a period when there was an apt for RH as well, just prior to yum becoming their standard.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Thursday, February 13, 2020 07:37:00
    On 02-12-20 09:37, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 07:41 pm

    Boot Camp was quite popular back then for dual booting OS X and Windows on a Mac. It makes sense that there would be Windows drivers for Mac hardware.

    You say 'was' - Is Boot Camp no longer a popular option for Mac users?

    Now it's a case of "I don't know". :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Thursday, February 13, 2020 07:37:00
    On 02-12-20 09:48, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    The driver in the distro's "non free" repository is probably the same
    one from Nvidia.

    Exactly.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to The Millionaire on Thursday, February 13, 2020 08:11:00
    On 02-12-20 06:12, The Millionaire wrote to Altere <=-

    There's like a 100 out there now. Wow, I remember when there was only Ubuntu out there at the time.

    Hmm, and also there was Red Hat, Debian, SuSE, Slackware and many others by the time Ubuntu came on the scene, so there was never "only Ubuntu".


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Thursday, February 13, 2020 08:15:00
    On 02-12-20 09:38, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 04:48 am

    Still is but according to Distrowatch, MX Linux is still #1.

    Interesting.. Though I still like Linux Mint. I often don't use a
    Linux distribution based on what's most popular.. I started using
    Linux Mint when Ubuntu was popular. Ubuntu is fine, but I didn't like
    the default GUI included with Ubuntu. Though I later found that you
    can install the Cinnamon GUI in Ubuntu..

    Yeah I choose a distro based on intended use. Often Debian for servers, and I like Mint/Cinnamon on the desktop. For the netbooks I have lying around here, I use Lubuntu, which has a lighter GUI. These Lububtu netbooks make great BBS client machines - I use one loaded with SyncTerm and Multimail when travelling. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Thursday, February 13, 2020 08:18:00
    On 02-12-20 09:56, Nightfox wrote to Mortifis <=-

    In 2004, I was trying out Gentoo Linux, and chose the version of Gentoo where you'd build everything from the ground up (so you could optimize
    the build settings for your machine). I was trying it on a laptop, so
    it wasn't the most powerful PC already, and building something like
    XFree and Gnome took maybe 8 hours or so..

    I was reading about Gentoo, but while the concept did intrigue me, I could see it being impractical for me at the time, as I'd be spending hours compiling dependencies for anything I wanted to install.


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 18:07:48
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Altere on Wed Feb 12 2020 06:12:39


    There's like a 100 out there now. Wow, I remember when there was only Ubuntu out there at the time.

    ubuntu is not as old as others in the game... debian, red hat, slackware, and others... ubuntu the all the ?ubuntu derivitives originate from debian...


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 18:12:24
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: The Millionaire to Mortifis on Wed Feb 12 2020 07:05:27


    Yeah BASH terminal can be very complicated at times.

    no moreso than DOS, really... plus the scripting capabilities are eons beyond what DOS and others offer(ed)...


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 16:09:34
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Thu Feb 13 2020 08:15 am

    Yeah I choose a distro based on intended use. Often Debian for servers, and I like Mint/Cinnamon on the desktop. For the netbooks I have lying around here, I use Lubuntu, which has a lighter GUI. These Lububtu netbooks make great BBS client machines - I use one loaded with SyncTerm and Multimail when travelling. :)

    What do you like about Debian for servers compared to another server Linux distro like CentOS/RedHat?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 16:11:05
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Thu Feb 13 2020 08:18 am

    I was reading about Gentoo, but while the concept did intrigue me, I could see it being impractical for me at the time, as I'd be spending hours compiling dependencies for anything I wanted to install.

    Yeah, I think the long install times (due to compiling everything) is a bit of a downfall. There's a tradeoff between performance and convenience, and many times I just want to use my computer - which means relatively fast install times so that I can get to using it rather than waiting for it to build.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 16:31:48
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tony Langdon to Gamgee on Thu Feb 13 2020 07:36 am

    Sounds quite good. I might investigate MX myself.

    I think it's worth a look. Seems to be solid and done better than
    many of the newer distros.

    I'm getting that impression.

    Do you think it works better than, say, Linux Mint? It seems to me that Linux Mint is fairly easy to use and easy to update - though with the 19.x versions, I've seen some users complain of issues upgrading from earlier versions. I've been using Mint since 17.0 (or 17.1?), and it seemed to work fairly well then. I recently put a fresh install of Mint 19.3 Xfce on my 'server' PC and it seems to be working fairly well so far.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Thursday, February 13, 2020 20:00:00
    On 02-12-20 16:09, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    What do you like about Debian for servers compared to another server
    Linux distro like CentOS/RedHat?

    Over the years, Debian has been fairly well behaved. I did find CentOS fairly good too, though they went through some changes that made me move some things several years back. But that was a bit specialised, because the changes were related to the audio subsystem (which won't affect 99.9% of server applications). And I will still use CentOS if it's the best choice for the
    ob.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Thursday, February 13, 2020 20:01:00
    On 02-12-20 16:11, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Yeah, I think the long install times (due to compiling everything) is a bit of a downfall. There's a tradeoff between performance and convenience, and many times I just want to use my computer - which
    means relatively fast install times so that I can get to using it
    rather than waiting for it to build.

    Precisely. While compiling and optimising for a particular system sounds like a good idea, it does have its overheads.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Thursday, February 13, 2020 20:03:00
    On 02-12-20 16:31, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Do you think it works better than, say, Linux Mint? It seems to me
    that Linux Mint is fairly easy to use and easy to update - though with

    No idea, I haven't tried MX yet.

    the 19.x versions, I've seen some users complain of issues upgrading
    from earlier versions. I've been using Mint since 17.0 (or 17.1?), and
    it seemed to work fairly well then. I recently put a fresh install of
    Mint 19.3 Xfce on my 'server' PC and it seems to be working fairly well
    so far.

    I'm running Mint 18.3 on one PC, IIRC. 19 hadn't yet come out.


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  • From Paul Quinn@VERT to Tony Langdon on Thursday, February 13, 2020 20:14:06
    Hi! Tony,

    On 13 Feb 20 20:03, you wrote to Nightfox:

    ... You can't polish a turd, but you can chuck glitter on it.

    Amendment #1: the Mythbusters proved that it is possible to "polish a turd" under controlled conditions. :)

    Cheers,
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  • From Mortifis@VERT/ALLEYCAT to Nightfox on Thursday, February 13, 2020 07:25:44
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Mortifis to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 12 2020 10:48 am

    up for a challenge? install Slackware Linux 14.2 without a GUI and CLI everything :-P The first 'slackware' version I used was a pre-release 0.9a which was still Softlanding Linux System ... then I installed Slackware v 1.0 and just about every release since then ... and I still suck at the Linux command line LOL

    In 2004, I was trying out Gentoo Linux, and chose the version of Gentoo where you'd build everything from the ground up (so you could optimize the build settings for your machine). I was trying it on a laptop, so it wasn't the most powerful PC already, and building something like XFree and Gnome took maybe 8 hours or so..

    Ya, those were the days ... I can't say that I miss configuring and compiling the kernel and mods

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Thursday, February 13, 2020 08:07:00
    The Millionaire wrote to Altere <=-

    Finding a linux distro isn't about going after the most popular, it's
    finding
    one that fits your needs and preferences.

    There's like a 100 out there now. Wow, I remember when there was
    only Ubuntu out there at the time.

    Bullshit. At no time in human history was there ever a time when
    "there was only Ubuntu out there...".

    Please try to know something about what you're speaking of, before
    you speak of it.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Thursday, February 13, 2020 08:09:00
    The Millionaire wrote to Mortifis <=-

    up for a challenge? install Slackware Linux 14.2 without a GUI and CLI everything :-P The first 'slackware' version I used was a pre-release 0.9a which was still Softlanding Linux System ... then I installed Slackware v
    1.0
    and just about every release since then ... and I still suck at the Linux command line LOL

    Yeah BASH terminal can be very complicated at times.

    Not true. The "BASH terminal" level of complication/difficulty
    does not vary with time. It's always the same level of
    difficulty. So saying "at times" like you did above makes
    absolutely no sense.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to echicken on Thursday, February 13, 2020 08:12:00
    echicken wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    So you're saying that a Linux machine should have Linux hardware
    built inside it.

    It needs a Linux chip in order to bootstrap the kernel into the
    RAMs.

    Yep. You can usually get these at Staples or Best Buy. They even
    come in different colors.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Thursday, February 13, 2020 08:15:00
    Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Still is but according to Distrowatch, MX Linux is still #1.

    Interesting.. Though I still like Linux Mint. I often don't use
    a Linux distribution based on what's most popular..

    I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating... The
    "rankings" on Distrowatch are very misleading. Almost completely
    worthless, in fact. What those "rankings" are actually indicating
    is how many times that particular distro has been "clicked on" on
    the Distrowatch website. So that makes new (and noob-friendly)
    distros appear popular, because many folks click on them to find
    out more information and see if they want to try it. It does
    *NOT* indicate in any way whether that distro ever gets installed
    or used.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Thursday, February 13, 2020 08:52:00
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Ubuntu was fairly popular for a long time though.. And Ubuntu is
    a Debian-based distro, isn't it?

    It is Debian-based, and it is still pretty popular but not as much
    as when it was the new-kid-on-the-block and was marketed as
    n00b-friendly. It is friendly/easy for newcomers, but so are MANY
    others nowadays.

    Some people complain that fragmentation can be a bad thing with
    some markets (i.e., the Android phone market and the Linux
    market). I can see how the number of Linux distributions could
    hamper its popularity. For one, it can be difficult for
    companies to support multiple distributions, which might have
    different package management systems and dependencies. For them,
    the different Linux distros might as well all be treated as
    separate operating systems entirely, at least for testing their
    software. Also I think it could create some confusion for
    consumers who aren't really aware of the differences in the
    different distributions.

    Agreed, mostly. There are a LOT of distributions, and many of
    them are slight variations/forks of others and don't really differ
    in any meaningful way. That surely does cause
    confusion/complication to a Linux newcomer in trying to choose
    what to use. I think the "word of mouth" network tends to help
    those people try something like Ubuntu/Mint and get them started.
    Once a person has used Linux for a while and understands things
    better, the plethora of distros seems more manageable and easier
    to weed out stuff you don't care about. As is so popular in
    today's society, I think "diversity" is a good thing. :-)



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Tony Langdon on Thursday, February 13, 2020 08:55:00
    Tony Langdon wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Yep, it's truly amazing how far things have come in the Linux
    world. In most cases today, I think it's easier to install a
    Linux distro than it is to install Windows, and usually no
    additional fiddling (drivers/tweaks) are needed afterwards.

    I'd rank them roughly equivalent in difficulty now - both fairly
    easy to install. On some hardware, Linux can be quirky. I have
    some netbooks that need non free network drivers, which means
    manually downloading them and loading them off a USB stick,
    before the installation can proceed properly. But the same
    netbooks needed additional drivers for Windows that had to be
    downloaded manually. Linux probably actually scored a bit ahead,
    because once the networking is up, everything could be fetched autoimatically, whereas Windows needed manual installs.

    Good point there. I've had to use the "sneakernet" to get network
    drivers installed too, usually on a netbook-type computer.

    I do have one monitor that needs an Xorg.conf with custom
    Modelines created to get native resolution, otherwise the screen
    looks crap. But again, Windows Vista couldn't properly detect
    the monitor either, and googling for the driver didn't help.
    Again, Linux won, because one could get under the hood and tweak.
    :)

    Ahhh, I remember the days of Modeline tweaking... <shudder> :-)
    It was satisfying to finally get things the way you wanted.
    Probably pretty rarely needed any more, thankfully.



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  • From Netsurge@VERT to Gamgee on Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:42:16
    Yep. You can usually get these at Staples or Best Buy. They even
    come in different colors.

    I ate a bag of Linux Chips last night, the sour cream and onion flavoured
    ones. I personally prefer the BBQ falavour, but these weren't too bad.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mortifis on Thursday, February 13, 2020 09:20:40
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Mortifis to Nightfox on Thu Feb 13 2020 07:25 am

    Ya, those were the days ... I can't say that I miss configuring and compiling the kernel and mods

    I was trying out Linux in the late 90s, and at the time, you had to rebuild the kernel if you wanted to add/remove a driver. There was a kernel config program that had a series of a bunch of questions you had to go through before rebuilding the kernel, and if you made a mistake in one of the answers, you had to start over.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Thursday, February 13, 2020 09:25:23
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Thu Feb 13 2020 08:52 am

    Agreed, mostly. There are a LOT of distributions, and many of
    them are slight variations/forks of others and don't really differ
    in any meaningful way. That surely does cause
    confusion/complication to a Linux newcomer in trying to choose
    what to use. I think the "word of mouth" network tends to help
    those people try something like Ubuntu/Mint and get them started.
    Once a person has used Linux for a while and understands things
    better, the plethora of distros seems more manageable and easier
    to weed out stuff you don't care about. As is so popular in
    today's society, I think "diversity" is a good thing. :-)

    Yeah, I like the diversity. I think it could be good to have a good option for a free-to-use OS, and aside from some types of applications that are generally made for Windows (i.e., PC games), I think we're "pretty much" there. More PC games are being developed for Linux these days, too. I think one thing that could help boost Linux support and popularity would be for more PC makers to pre-install a distro of Linux on their PCs. People often use the OS that's already installed on their PC rather than go out and install a different OS, so having Linux pre-installed might help motivate developers to support Linux more, and the snowball effect would go from there.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to RAMPAGE on Thursday, February 13, 2020 18:18:00
    winmodems and winprinters certainly were... the actual working code that normal
    y resides in the hardware was moved into software... supposedly to make them ch
    aper but it also was another of m$'s underhanded tricks to try to give windows >ore of a boost in the market place...

    Never had any experience with the printers, but all of the winmodems I had experience with were not only cheaper in $$$ but were also more cheaply
    made than a true hardware modem. Their lifespans seemed shorter, for one.


    * SLMR 2.1a * I'm just here for moral support... please ignore the gun.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Thursday, February 13, 2020 16:59:34
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchron
    By: Dumas Walker to RAMPAGE on Thu Feb 13 2020 06:18 pm

    Never had any experience with the printers, but all of the winmodems I had experience with were not only cheaper in $$$ but were also more cheaply made than a true hardware modem. Their lifespans seemed shorter, for one.

    I avoided winmodems at all cost, because I was using other operating systems as well as Windows. For internal modems, I tended to like US Robotics, because they always seemed to have a model that was a true hardware modem that appeared to be on a COM port like any other modem. Aside from Winmodems, I also remember seeing some internal modems that were hardware modems, but were more plug-n-play where you couldn't configure their COM port with a hardware jumper. I tried using one such modem with OS/2 once - It worked with OS/2, but its COM port and IRQ were different every time I rebooted my PC. That caused problems because for any software I wanted to use with that modem, I had to go into the settings and change the COM port and IRQ. I ended up returning that modem after a day or so, so that I could get a refund.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Tony Langdon on Friday, February 14, 2020 09:23:00
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Thu Feb 13 2020 08:11 am

    On 02-12-20 06:12, The Millionaire wrote to Altere <=-

    There's like a 100 out there now. Wow, I remember when there was only Ubuntu out there at the time.

    Hmm, and also there was Red Hat, Debian, SuSE, Slackware and many others by time Ubuntu came on the scene, so there was never "only Ubuntu".


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    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Tony Langdon on Friday, February 14, 2020 09:27:00
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Thu Feb 13 2020 08:18 am

    On 02-12-20 09:56, Nightfox wrote to Mortifis <=-

    In 2004, I was trying out Gentoo Linux, and chose the version of Gentoo where you'd build everything from the ground up (so you could optimize the build settings for your machine). I was trying it on a laptop, so it wasn't the most powerful PC already, and building something like XFree and Gnome took maybe 8 hours or so..

    I was reading about Gentoo, but while the concept did intrigue me, I could s it being impractical for me at the time, as I'd be spending hours compiling dependencies for anything I wanted to install.


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    Once in awhile I look at the "linux from scratch" site, and ponder whether I want to try a ground up assembly of linux. I'm sure it would be an awesome learning experience, however I doubt I could see any practical use doing it.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Friday, February 14, 2020 09:34:00
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Nightfox to Tony Langdon on Wed Feb 12 2020 04:11 pm

    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Thu Feb 13 2020 08:18 am

    I was reading about Gentoo, but while the concept did intrigue me, I co see it being impractical for me at the time, as I'd be spending hours compiling dependencies for anything I wanted to install.

    Yeah, I think the long install times (due to compiling everything) is a bit t to using it rather than waiting for it to build.

    Nightfox


    There are so many distros out there, there's a good chance someone else built up a distro with the features you require. Audio related distros with low latency kernals is a good example, as are the security and white hat hacking distros. Manjaro is a great easy to set up distro based on Arch.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Friday, February 14, 2020 09:42:00
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchron
    By: Dumas Walker to RAMPAGE on Thu Feb 13 2020 06:18 pm

    winmodems and winprinters certainly were... the actual working code that no >y resides in the hardware was moved into software... supposedly to make the >aper but it also was another of m$'s underhanded tricks to try to give wind >ore of a boost in the market place...

    Never had any experience with the printers, but all of the winmodems I had experience with were not only cheaper in $$$ but were also more cheaply
    made than a true hardware modem. Their lifespans seemed shorter, for one.


    * SLMR 2.1a * I'm just here for moral support... please ignore the gun.

    Years ago I read about linux users finding alternate uses of the sound capabilities of Winmodems, however I never looked any deeper into it.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Friday, February 14, 2020 09:48:00
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchron
    By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Thu Feb 13 2020 04:59 pm

    Re: Linux Alone With Synchron
    By: Dumas Walker to RAMPAGE on Thu Feb 13 2020 06:18 pm

    Never had any experience with the printers, but all of the winmodems I experience with were not only cheaper in $$$ but were also more cheaply made than a true hardware modem. Their lifespans seemed shorter, for on

    I avoided winmodems at all cost, because I was using other operating systems rt like any other modem. Aside from Winmodems, I also remember seeing some ce - It worked with OS/2, but its COM port and IRQ were different every time rning that modem after a day or so, so that I could get a refund.

    Nightfox

    I eventually get fed up with Winmodems, and picked up an external serial v92 modem. I set up a dial on demand server using Coyote linux and I could
    access the linux box/router via browser to dial out or disconnect. The
    entire distro ran off a floppy, and I ran it off a K-266 with 64 mb RAM and a Intel E-100 compatible ethernat card, plus the modem. I gutted the rest to keep power level and resource usage down.

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Paul Quinn on Saturday, February 15, 2020 11:31:00
    On 02-13-20 20:14, Paul Quinn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Hi! Tony,

    On 13 Feb 20 20:03, you wrote to Nightfox:

    ... You can't polish a turd, but you can chuck glitter on it.

    Amendment #1: the Mythbusters proved that it is possible to "polish a turd" under controlled conditions. :)

    Freeze it? :D


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Gamgee on Saturday, February 15, 2020 11:33:00
    On 02-13-20 08:55, Gamgee wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Good point there. I've had to use the "sneakernet" to get network
    drivers installed too, usually on a netbook-type computer.

    Yep, sneakernet still has a place. :)

    Ahhh, I remember the days of Modeline tweaking... <shudder> :-)
    It was satisfying to finally get things the way you wanted.
    Probably pretty rarely needed any more, thankfully.

    Unless you have an oddball monitor like my spare one. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Moondog on Saturday, February 15, 2020 11:38:00
    On 02-14-20 09:23, Moondog wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware
    were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

    Debian also had a dedicated following back then, mostly among hardcore Linux hobbyists. I was using mostly Red Hat in those days.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Moondog on Saturday, February 15, 2020 11:39:00
    On 02-14-20 09:27, Moondog wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Once in awhile I look at the "linux from scratch" site, and ponder
    whether I want to try a ground up assembly of linux. I'm sure it would
    be an awesome learning experience, however I doubt I could see any practical use doing it.

    Yeah a good learning exercise to know how a distro can be put together, but as you say, probably not practical for production use these days.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:08:00
    On 02-13-20 09:20, Nightfox wrote to Mortifis <=-

    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Mortifis to Nightfox on Thu Feb 13 2020 07:25 am

    Ya, those were the days ... I can't say that I miss configuring and compiling the kernel and mods

    I was trying out Linux in the late 90s, and at the time, you had to rebuild the kernel if you wanted to add/remove a driver. There was a kernel config program that had a series of a bunch of questions you had
    to go through before rebuilding the kernel, and if you made a mistake
    in one of the answers, you had to start over.

    Yep. But compiling a custom kernel was a very satisfying experience! :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Moondog on Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:21:00
    On 02-14-20 09:34, Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

    There are so many distros out there, there's a good chance someone else built up a distro with the features you require. Audio related distros with low latency kernals is a good example, as are the security and
    white hat hacking distros. Manjaro is a great easy to set up distro
    based on Arch.

    That's the real strength of Linux. One day I should put Skywave Linux on the shack computer, which has a heap of ham radio related software. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Moondog on Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:21:00
    On 02-14-20 09:42, Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Years ago I read about linux users finding alternate uses of the sound capabilities of Winmodems, however I never looked any deeper into it.

    Now you've got me intrigued. :)


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  • From Paul Quinn@VERT to Tony Langdon on Saturday, February 15, 2020 16:35:24
    Hi! Tony,

    On 02/15/2020 10:31 AM, you wrote:

    On 13 Feb 20 20:03, you wrote to Nightfox:

    ... You can't polish a turd, but you can chuck glitter on it.
    Amendment #1: the Mythbusters proved that it is possible to "polish a
    turd" under controlled conditions. :)

    Freeze it? :D

    Dunno. There was colour & movement, and noise coming from the idiot box, and, I just managed to recognize Adam claiming success in the task. That's all I saw. :)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT to DUMAS WALKER on Friday, February 14, 2020 17:40:00
    Mike,

    While not computer related, your handle reminded me of the joke where
    this woman was angry at the country-western group, the Kentucky
    Headhunters, with their sexist song...saying they were going to "go down
    to do Miss Walker" -- when it's actually "Let's all go, down to Dumas
    Walker". <G>

    Daryl


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Paul Quinn on Saturday, February 15, 2020 20:25:00
    On 02-15-20 16:35, Paul Quinn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Hi! Tony,

    On 02/15/2020 10:31 AM, you wrote:

    On 13 Feb 20 20:03, you wrote to Nightfox:

    ... You can't polish a turd, but you can chuck glitter on it.
    Amendment #1: the Mythbusters proved that it is possible to "polish a
    turd" under controlled conditions. :)

    Freeze it? :D

    Dunno. There was colour & movement, and noise coming from the idiot
    box, and, I just managed to recognize Adam claiming success in the
    task. That's all I saw. :)

    Haha, would have been interesting to see how they achieved it. :D


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Tony Langdon on Saturday, February 15, 2020 07:19:14
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tony Langdon to Paul Quinn on Sat Feb 15 2020 11:31:00


    ... You can't polish a turd, but you can chuck glitter on it.

    Amendment #1: the Mythbusters proved that it is possible to "polish a turd" under controlled conditions. :)

    Freeze it? :D

    the term you're looking for is "dorodungo" ;)


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Tony Langdon on Saturday, February 15, 2020 07:24:12
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tony Langdon to Paul Quinn on Sat Feb 15 2020 20:25:00


    Dunno. There was colour & movement, and noise coming from the idiot
    box, and, I just managed to recognize Adam claiming success in the
    task. That's all I saw. :)

    Haha, would have been interesting to see how they achieved it. :D

    https://go.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/polishing-a-turd-minimyth


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Saturday, February 15, 2020 06:20:00
    Moondog wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware
    were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

    Before Novell bought SuSe, they licensed AT&T SYSVr4.2, added some Novell
    core protocol drivers and software, wrapped Motif WM around it and called it UNIXWare. That was one of my first forays into UNIX.

    I liked SuSe; I had a couple of clients back in the first dot-com boom
    running it; I was mostly a FreeBSD and RedHat guy back then.

    I had a boss who thought its integration with our Novell network was nifty, then put it in our DMZ as a bastion host where it couldn't talk to the
    Novell network. Oops.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tony Langdon on Saturday, February 15, 2020 06:22:00
    Tony Langdon wrote to Gamgee <=-

    On 02-13-20 08:55, Gamgee wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Good point there. I've had to use the "sneakernet" to get network
    drivers installed too, usually on a netbook-type computer.

    Yep, sneakernet still has a place. :)

    No improvements in latency, but the bandwidth has gone through the roof!

    Instead of a 1.44mb floppy, I recently sneakernetted 32 GB worth of database this week.

    "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of 9-track tapes..."


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Saturday, February 15, 2020 09:36:00
    Years ago I read about linux users finding alternate uses of the sound capabilities of Winmodems, however I never looked any deeper into it.

    There were actually some which, over time, either had linux drivers or
    wrappers to go around the windows drivers.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to TONY LANGDON on Saturday, February 15, 2020 09:58:00
    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware
    were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

    Debian also had a dedicated following back then, mostly among hardcore Linux hobbyists. I was using mostly Red Hat in those days.

    I think it still does, and slackware also, by hobbyists.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Tony Langdon on Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:09:00
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Tony Langdon to Moondog on Sat Feb 15 2020 11:38 am

    On 02-14-20 09:23, Moondog wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

    Debian also had a dedicated following back then, mostly among hardcore Linux hobbyists. I was using mostly Red Hat in those days.


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    It's amazing how many Debian variants are out there, or at least appear in my casual browsing. I've been an Ubuntu user since ver 6(?) and have branched in to using Raspbian on my two Raspberry Pi's and Armbian of a Rock64 I set up
    for a non-profit to run a presentation Powerpoint on a display.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Tony Langdon on Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:12:00
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Tony Langdon to Moondog on Sat Feb 15 2020 12:21 pm

    On 02-14-20 09:42, Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Years ago I read about linux users finding alternate uses of the sound capabilities of Winmodems, however I never looked any deeper into it.

    Now you've got me intrigued. :)


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    I'm curious how many hacks are done that done involve a phone line at all.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, February 15, 2020 13:44:44
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Sat Feb 15 2020 06:20 am

    I liked SuSe; I had a couple of clients back in the first dot-com boom running it; I was mostly a FreeBSD and RedHat guy back then.

    I really liked SuSE back in the day. One thing was that came with a lot of software, and was even available on one or two DVDs due to all the software that was included. That was nice so that I didn't have to download all that over dialup. Also, SuSE had a fairly good XFree configuration application that seemed to work better at auto-detecting settings than with other distros. I had an easier time getting XFree working with SuSE than with other distros.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Rampage on Sunday, February 16, 2020 20:21:00
    On 02-15-20 07:19, Rampage wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
    Amendment #1: the Mythbusters proved that it is possible to "polish a
    turd" under controlled conditions. :)

    Freeze it? :D

    the term you're looking for is "dorodungo" ;)

    Hmm, that needs explanation. :/


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Rampage on Sunday, February 16, 2020 20:23:00
    On 02-15-20 07:24, Rampage wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    https://go.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/polishing-a-turd-mi nimyth

    Hmm, will have to check that out. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, February 16, 2020 20:27:00
    On 02-15-20 06:22, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Yep, sneakernet still has a place. :)

    No improvements in latency, but the bandwidth has gone through the
    roof!

    True! :D

    I can lower latency a bit for distances in the 60-400 metre range! :D

    Instead of a 1.44mb floppy, I recently sneakernetted 32 GB worth of database this week.

    Yeah, definitely a lot more bandwidth available. :D

    "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of 9-track tapes..."

    Haha true. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Dumas Walker on Sunday, February 16, 2020 20:28:00
    On 02-15-20 09:58, Dumas Walker wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

    Debian also had a dedicated following back then, mostly among hardcore Linux hobbyists. I was using mostly Red Hat in those days.

    I think it still does, and slackware also, by hobbyists.

    Yes, I tend to agree. Debian definitely has its devotee.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Moondog on Sunday, February 16, 2020 20:29:00
    On 02-15-20 12:09, Moondog wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    It's amazing how many Debian variants are out there, or at least appear
    in my casual browsing. I've been an Ubuntu user since ver 6(?) and
    have branched in to using Raspbian on my two Raspberry Pi's and Armbian
    of a Rock64 I set up for a non-profit to run a presentation Powerpoint
    on a display.

    Debian appears to be a popular distro to base another one off.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Moondog on Sunday, February 16, 2020 20:41:00
    On 02-15-20 12:12, Moondog wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I'm curious how many hacks are done that done involve a phone line at
    all.

    Indeed, hacking of winmodems seems to have become interesting in this thread.

    Anyway, a quick Gooogle did reveal that at least one model can be used as a line interface card for Asterisk PBXs.

    ... Nothing's impossible to those that don't have to do it.
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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Tony Langdon on Sunday, February 16, 2020 08:12:21
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tony Langdon to Rampage on Sun Feb 16 2020 20:21:00


    Amendment #1: the Mythbusters proved that it is possible to "polish a
    turd" under controlled conditions. :)

    Freeze it? :D

    the term you're looking for is "dorodungo" ;)

    Hmm, that needs explanation. :/

    apparently it was misspelled and the proper term is "dorodango"... uncle google knows what it is ;)


    )\/(ark

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, February 16, 2020 13:42:00
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Sat Feb 15 2020 06:20 am

    Moondog wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

    Before Novell bought SuSe, they licensed AT&T SYSVr4.2, added some Novell core protocol drivers and software, wrapped Motif WM around it and called it UNIXWare. That was one of my first forays into UNIX.

    I liked SuSe; I had a couple of clients back in the first dot-com boom running it; I was mostly a FreeBSD and RedHat guy back then.

    I had a boss who thought its integration with our Novell network was nifty, then put it in our DMZ as a bastion host where it couldn't talk to the Novell network. Oops.
    ... Faced with a choice, do both

    My first books on linux came with the retail version of SuSe 8.2 Professional
    I purchased at Best Buy. The kit came with two books - one of gneral stuff
    for the base edition, then another on the additional software bundled with
    the pro version. Their "killer app" they bragged about was Yast (yet another setup tool.) It was a graphical toolkit which gave you similar abilities as Control Panel in Windows. The books helped out alot. The base book was
    geared toward a novice user and dealt more with installation and navigating
    the gui, while the second book got into networking and file sharing and file permissions. Cool part of the kit was an included repository DVD. For a user
    trapped in the boondocks with only dialup as the only option at the time,
    this was a blessing.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Sunday, February 16, 2020 13:46:00
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchron
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sat Feb 15 2020 09:36 am

    Years ago I read about linux users finding alternate uses of the sound capabilities of Winmodems, however I never looked any deeper into it.

    There were actually some which, over time, either had linux drivers or wrappers to go around the windows drivers.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Hold on! Doesn't NT mean NinTendo ?

    I've seen those before. I'm referring to using the audio abilities on the modem for something other than being a modem.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Sunday, February 16, 2020 13:59:00
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Dumas Walker to TONY LANGDON on Sat Feb 15 2020 09:58 am

    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

    Debian also had a dedicated following back then, mostly among hardcore Lin hobbyists. I was using mostly Red Hat in those days.

    I think it still does, and slackware also, by hobbyists.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Veni, Vidi, Visa. (I came, I saw, I charged it.)


    My average exposure to Debian is more in it's off shoots than the base
    distro. This counts the Ubuntu chain, Raspbian, and Armbian. I also had a resource disk built on Debian which included Clonezilla and DRBL (diskless remote boot in linux.) For learning purposes I wanted to set up a box with tftp to PXE boot other pc's to boot from it, however my pool of spare pc's
    were older models which didn't have the memory resources need to operate more than one or two diskless or "thin" environments at the time.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Sunday, February 16, 2020 16:35:48
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 16 2020 01:42 pm

    My first books on linux came with the retail version of SuSe 8.2 Professional I purchased at Best Buy. The kit came with two books - one of gneral stuff for the base edition, then another on the additional software bundled with the pro version. Their "killer app" they bragged about was Yast (yet another setup tool.) It was a graphical toolkit which gave you similar abilities as Control Panel in Windows. The books helped out alot.

    Around 1999 or 2000, I bought a copy of SuSE at CompUSA. I thought it was cool seeing boxed copies of Linux in software stores, and I thought it was cool to have a printed manual with it.

    Yast was one of the things I liked about SuSE.

    Nightfox

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Moondog on Sunday, February 16, 2020 19:54:06
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchron
    By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 16 2020 13:46:00


    I'm referring to using the audio abilities on the modem for
    something other than being a modem.

    like converting the sound recorded from a satellite into a picture? ;)


    )\/(ark

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, February 16, 2020 19:22:34
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sun Feb 16 2020 04:35 pm

    Around 1999 or 2000, I bought a copy of SuSE at CompUSA. I thought it was c seeing boxed copies of Linux in software stores, and I thought it was cool t have a printed manual with it.

    Yast was one of the things I liked about SuSE.


    software etc had that stuff AND wildcat! for sale. nobody ever bought it, though.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sunday, February 16, 2020 21:16:15
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Feb 16 2020 07:22 pm

    software etc had that stuff AND wildcat! for sale. nobody ever bought it, though.

    Yeah, there used to be an Egghead Software in my area that had that stuff, and I remember seeing boxes with RedHat linux and Wildcat BBS software there.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Rampage on Monday, February 17, 2020 19:12:00
    On 02-16-20 08:12, Rampage wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tony Langdon to Rampage on Sun Feb 16 2020 20:21:00


    Amendment #1: the Mythbusters proved that it is possible to "polish a
    turd" under controlled conditions. :)

    Freeze it? :D

    the term you're looking for is "dorodungo" ;)

    Hmm, that needs explanation. :/

    apparently it was misspelled and the proper term is "dorodango"...
    uncle google knows what it is ;)

    Interesting, I even found out how to polish a turd as well. :)


    ... Should I or shouldn't I?... Too late, I did!
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Monday, February 17, 2020 18:19:00
    I've seen those before. I'm referring to using the audio abilities on the modem for something other than being a modem.

    Like a onboard speaker or ???


    * SLMR 2.1a * Sheesh! You start havin' fun, and they send the lawyers!

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Rampage on Monday, February 17, 2020 22:15:00
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchron
    By: Rampage to Moondog on Sun Feb 16 2020 07:54 pm

    Re: Linux Alone With Synchron
    By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 16 2020 13:46:00


    I'm referring to using the audio abilities on the modem for
    something other than being a modem.

    like converting the sound recorded from a satellite into a picture? ;)


    )\/(ark

    That would be interesting. I was thinking along the lines of analog/ digital conversion, or take advantage of their digital sound processing abilities.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Monday, February 17, 2020 22:30:00
    Re: Linux Alone With Synchron
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Mon Feb 17 2020 06:19 pm

    I've seen those before. I'm referring to using the audio abilities on the modem for something other than being a modem.

    Like a onboard speaker or ???


    * SLMR 2.1a * Sheesh! You start havin' fun, and they send the lawyers!

    ADC/ DAC, DSP (digital sound processing) related applications. Sort of how clever programmers use the number crunching abilities of GPU's for other purposes than generating video.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 18, 2020 22:59:44
    On 2/11/20 11:11 AM, The Millionaire wrote:
    Well that makes me feel better now because in the olden days I had a
    lot of
    problems with drivers.
    You just boosted my confidence back to Linux. I hear MX Linux is the most popular. Why did you pick Mint instead?

    Generally, you will find the most answers online geared towards Ubuntu
    or a derivative. Mint is one option. I'm running Pop!_OS myself. I've
    never heard of MX Linux.

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to The Millionaire on Thursday, February 20, 2020 17:05:53
    On 2/12/20 5:48 AM, The Millionaire wrote:
    Ubuntu was fairly popular for a long time though.. And Ubuntu is a
    Debian-based distro, isn't it?

    Still is but according to Distrowatch, MX Linux is still #1.

    Distrowatch ratings are kind of meaningless, it's based on hits per day average only on their own website.

    For desktops, I'm guessing Steam is probably a more reliable source of popularity, which puts Ubuntu at the top by a pretty big margin. Though
    40% overall are running something other than the top 5, so a good
    variety there.

    https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam?platform=linux

    MX might be worth checking out... not willing to move off of Pop!_OS
    19.10 w/ 5.6rc1 kernel right now, which is stable for me, since I'm more concerned about getting work done, and bleeding edge hardware (3950X,
    X570, RX 5700 XT) has already given me enough pain. 5.5 kernels have
    been much better than what came before, and prior to 5.4 was painful for
    my hardware.

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Altere on Thursday, February 20, 2020 17:23:48
    On 2/12/20 5:47 AM, Altere wrote:
    Don't get all your information from a single source and think
    it's golden. Searching on google for "2020 most popular linux
    distro" will give you several different results. One saying
    Linux Mint is #1 right now, another not even mentioning MX
    Linux, another saying MX Linux is on the rise to polularity,
    another saying Elementary OS, etc. etc.. Now if you want to
    take that search further and put "server" between linux and
    distro, you're going to get totally different results.

    Finding a linux distro isn't about going after the most
    popular, it's finding one that fits your needs and preferences.

    Agreed, it's generally far more about style, experience and needs. As
    far as server distros, Debian is likely to be king here, and maybe
    Alpine only because for web apps and services Debian and Alpine are
    kings in terms of container usage which is only growing, as far as what
    people see/use for baseline.

    RedHat/CentOS are also freakishly huge in server use, as is Ubuntu.

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to The Millionaire on Thursday, February 20, 2020 17:26:04
    On 2/12/20 7:12 AM, The Millionaire wrote:
    There's like a 100 out there now. Wow, I remember when there was only Ubuntu out there at the time.

    There have always been *lost* of distros... many rise and fall, few gain traction... your own MX looks to be a culmination of a couple of them.

    Slackware, Suse, Mandrake, and many others are all but dead now.

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Thursday, February 20, 2020 17:34:03
    On 2/12/20 10:38 AM, Nightfox wrote:
    Ubuntu is fine, but I didn't like the default GUI included with
    Ubuntu. Though I later found that you can install the Cinnamon
    GUI in Ubuntu..

    How do you like Cinnamon, I switched from Gnome to KDE because of a bug
    in the lock screen (it wouldn't clear off after resume).

    Not really digging KDE much, it has its' own quirks.

    --
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    tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Thursday, February 20, 2020 17:36:17
    On 2/12/20 10:43 AM, Nightfox wrote:
    ... For one, it can be difficult for companies to support multiple distributions

    I went with Pop because it's supported by System76 who actually sell hardware... Frankly the difference in install and initial use shows.

    --
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Thursday, February 20, 2020 17:38:18
    On 2/12/20 10:56 AM, Nightfox wrote:
    In 2004, I was trying out Gentoo Linux, and chose the version of
    Gentoo where you'd build everything from the ground up (so you
    could optimize the build settings for your machine).

    I setup a Database server on Gentoo that way (*once*), after that,
    I didn't think the little bit of extra performance was worth it.

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Moondog on Thursday, February 20, 2020 17:49:39
    On 2/14/20 7:27 AM, Moondog wrote:
    Once in awhile I look at the "linux from scratch" site, and ponder whether I want to try a ground up assembly of linux. I'm sure it would be an awesome learning experience, however I doubt I could see any practical use doing it.

    Customizing Arch might be a good middle-ground step if that's what
    you're into.

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Thursday, February 20, 2020 22:10:00
    Tracker1 wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    On 2/12/20 7:12 AM, The Millionaire wrote:
    There's like a 100 out there now. Wow, I remember when there was only Ubuntu out there at the time.

    There have always been *lost* of distros... many rise and fall,
    few gain traction... your own MX looks to be a culmination of a
    couple of them.

    Slackware, Suse, Mandrake, and many others are all but dead now.

    Mandrake is long gone, and Suse has declined a lot, but Slackware
    is still alive and well, and under constant development. It has
    been a little while since the last release, but it's coming.
    Pretty hard to beat Slackware for stability/reliability, in my
    opinion.

    All my servers and BBS run on Slackware, and it's been my
    desktop/laptop OS for 15+ years. I wouldn't use anything else.



    ... It's a chain saw. I always carry one for emergencies.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Thursday, February 20, 2020 21:19:54
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Thu Feb 20 2020 05:34 pm

    How do you like Cinnamon, I switched from Gnome to KDE because of a bug in the lock screen (it wouldn't clear off after resume).

    I like that Cinnamon works more like a classic desktop, and I think it looks nice too. Overall I haven't noticed any major issues with it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Thursday, February 20, 2020 21:34:23
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tracker1 to The Millionaire on Thu Feb 20 2020 05:26 pm

    Slackware, Suse, Mandrake, and many others are all but dead now.

    I thought at least OpenSuSE was still around. It looks like OpenSuSE posted an update on February 6th of this year, and they have a 'rolling release' version now..
    https://software.opensuse.org/distributions/tumbleweed

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Tracker1 on Thursday, February 20, 2020 22:47:00
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Tracker1 to Moondog on Thu Feb 20 2020 05:49 pm

    On 2/14/20 7:27 AM, Moondog wrote:
    Once in awhile I look at the "linux from scratch" site, and ponder whether want to try a ground up assembly of linux. I'm sure it would be an awesom learning experience, however I doubt I could see any practical use doing i

    Customizing Arch might be a good middle-ground step if that's what
    you're into.

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS

    A few years back I knew someone who loved Arch, and I've played with Manjaro, an Arch derivative. If I ever created a list of things I'd like to try, a bui ld from ground up has become less of a priority over the years. It's a cool thing to brag about, however as i mentioned before it seems less relevant or practical in relation to my current interests and learning path.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Sunday, March 15, 2020 22:49:43
    On 2/20/20 10:19 PM, Nightfox wrote:
    How do you like Cinnamon, I switched from Gnome to KDE because of a bug
    in the lock screen (it wouldn't clear off after resume).

    I like that Cinnamon works more like a classic desktop, and I think it
    looks nice too. Overall I haven't noticed any major issues with it.

    Cool, may give it a look, been in windows this past week because of two projects I'm working on, and the latest kernel (5.6-rc) doesn't work
    with virtualbox or xen for me... On the plus side, finally got my rgb
    setup to a color that didn't suck... on the down side, I'm in windows.

    I will say that WSL2 + Beta use with Docker Desktop is MUCH nicer than
    the last time I tried it. VS Code integration is really smooth as well.
    Damned near painless.

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS

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