• Veal vs. beef

    From JIM WELLER@1:135/392 to DALE SHIPP on Tue Sep 21 21:30:00 2021

    Quoting Dale Shipp to Jim Weller <=-

    Fall calves and yearlings lack the good qualities of both veal
    and mature beef and is hardly ever sold.

    When I was growing up in Florida the local Publix chain sold something they called "baby beef". I now believe it was meat from the calves
    and yearlings you mention above. I don't recall any real difference in flavor, but then my palette was only beginning to develop then (three score and ten years ago).

    Milk fed baby veal meat is pale, almost white, mild tasting and
    tender (from lack of exercise).

    Fall calves and yearlings are pink, becoming redder as they get
    older, not yet fully flavoured, and every lean so somewhat tough as
    they have been running around on pasture,

    Mature beef is red, very flavourful and tender if it's well
    marbled with fat.

    Dairy calves can be weaned in as few as 7 weeks, so that veal and
    milk can both go to market early in the season..

    But if beef calves are allowed to slowly wean off naturally while
    they also eat pasture grass the process takes around 6 months. They
    can gain weight faster that way.

    Feed lot beef on a rich corn, grain and soy diet can be market
    weight in as little as 18 months and are generally sold in 18 to 24
    months.

    Grass fed beef needs 30 to 36 months to mature and benefit with a corn
    and grain supplement the last few weeks.

    Beef older than 36 months is not economic on a commercial basis as
    feed requirements go up as weight gain diminishes but the meat gets
    fattier and more flavourful if they are allowed to age another year.
    I once got a freezer full of old cow that had been fattened up after
    its last calf and before slaughter. The meat was very dark red,
    almost gamey (in a good way) like venison and heavily streaked with
    yellow, not white, fat. If it had gone to market it would have
    received the lowest grade (cutter and canner) but after a dairy
    farmer gave her a rich finishing diet it for a few weeks it was
    wonderful.

    The beef industry tried to market 12 month old beef to decrease feed
    costs and get a cash return faster but the consumers didn't like the
    lean meat or mild flavour and the practise ended.

    My parents bought a butchered, cut and wrapped whole fall calf late
    one autumn when there was a local drought and inadequate hay crops.
    The farmer said stockyard prices were depressed as farmers were
    selling off early and they could save a lot of money by buying a
    whole calf rather than a side of beef. They never did it again
    though.

    It's funny how we label offal as veal kidneys but calve's liver.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Veal Kidneys a la Demidoff
    Categories: Veal, Offal, Historical
    Yield: 4 Servings

    4 Veal kidneys
    Salt and pepper
    1/2 c Hot butter
    2 Glasses sherry wine
    1/2 pt Espagnole sauce
    Sliced mushrooms
    Chopped parsley
    4 tb Butter
    Lemon juice
    1 1/2 pt Rice

    Select kidneys with a pinkish color; cut in slices, season with salt
    and pepper. Fry briskly and well with half cup butter. Drain off the
    butter; put the kidneys on a plate. Put the wine Espagnole sauce and
    some sliced mushrooms n the frying pan; reduce, then add kidneys,
    parsley, 4 tablespoons butter and lemon juice; mix well without
    boiling. Wash and cook the rice until tender, drain and press gently
    into a border mold; keep warm. Unmold rice onto hot serving dish and
    pour stewed kidneys into the center.

    Submitted by Cassyjean - Torrington, CT
    www.reciperascal.com

    Demidoff was a wealthy pre-revolution Russian family who probably
    had a French chef like Stroganoff did. - JW

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    Cheers

    Jim

    ... Tofu is even more tender than veal. Also somewhat less beefy.

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Jim Weller on Fri Sep 24 00:59:18 2021
    JIM WELLER wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

    Fall calves and yearlings lack the good qualities of both veal
    and mature beef and is hardly ever sold.

    Thanks for that information; it was enlightening. I have had veal only a couple times in my life due to its cost but I think I prefer a good steak
    over veal.

    Also, I like tofu a lot. My mom used to make tofu for breakfast for me
    using a "tofu scrambler" seasoning she was able to buy back then. I've searched the Web for seasonings like it and found a few; I guess this is especially loved by vegans (which I am not).

    This talks about cooking the full dish but you can get the seasonings out of the recipe.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Tofu Scramble Seasoning
    Categories: Seasonings, Tofu, Breakfast, Seandennis
    Yield: 2 Servings

    1 T Olive oil
    1 16 oz. block firm tofu
    2 T Nutritional yeast
    1/2 t Salt (or more to taste)
    1/4 t Turmeric
    1/4 t Garlic powder
    2 T Non-dairy milk, unsweetened
    - and unflavored

    Heat the olive oil in a pan over medium heat. Mash the block of tofu
    right in the pan with a potato masher or a fork. You can also
    crumble it into the pan with your hands. Cook, stirring frequently,
    for 3-4 minutes until the water from the tofu is mostly gone.

    Now add the nutritional yeast, salt, tumeric, and garlic powder.
    Cook and stir constantly for about 5 minutes.

    Pour the non-dairy milk into the pan and stir to mix. Serve
    immediately with sliced avocado, hot sauce, parsley, steamed kale,
    toast, or any other breakfast item.

    From https://www.noracooks.com/tofu-scramble/

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    -- Sean

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