• Butterball & Jenny-O

    From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to All on Mon Oct 25 07:29:00 2021
    ... are trying to kill you.

    From: https://bestlifeonline.com

    UDD NOTE: This may be one of those hyperbolic scare deals. But, I'm
    not going to chance it.

    AVOID THIS ONE TYPE OF MEAT: Experts Say 90% of ground turkey is
    contaminated with harmful bacteria.

    Though ground turkey is often regarded as a leaner and healthier
    alternative to ground beef, the risks may outweigh the benefits,
    according to Consumer Reports. In 2013, they analyzed samples of ground
    turkey sold in retail stores and found that the vast majority of the
    meat was contaminated with bacteria known to cause foodborne illness.
    "Overall, 90% of the samples had one or more of the five bacteria
    for which we tested," the researchers reported.

    Within those findings, the team determined that 69% of ground turkey
    samples were contaminated with Enterococcus, and 60% harbored E. coli. Additionally, they found traces of Salmonella in 15% of the samples and methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), a type of bacteria
    known to cause lethal infections, in another 5%. To make matters worse,
    the study determined that "almost all of the disease-causing organisms
    in our 257 samples proved resistant to one or more of the antibiotics
    commonly used to fight them."

    EXPERTS ARE CALLING FOR TOUGHER SAFETY REGULATIONS. If you're shocked to
    learn that up to 90% of ground turkey samples are contaminated with
    bacteria, you may be even more surprised to find out just how close the
    sampled meat came to meeting legal requirements.

    "To limit contamination, federal law requires processors to create a
    Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point plan. For turkey processors,
    HACCP includes steps for washing and chilling carcasses throughout
    processing to reduce the growth of harmful bacteria and contamination of
    the finished product," Consumer Reports explains. "But HACCP doesn't
    require eradication of harmful bacteria. In fact, Salmonella is
    permitted in up to half of the ground-­turkey samples that the USDA's
    Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) tests at processors' plants.
    And bugs that remain can keep growing until the turkey is cooked."

    Avoiding ground turkey is the simplest way to ensure that you don't get
    a contaminated batch. However, if you do plan to keep eating this
    particular type of meat, experts have some suggestions.

    First, be sure to store your meat below 40ºF and keep it separate from
    your other foods until you're ready to cook it. When you do, make sure
    you do so thoroughly until your food reaches 165ºF/74ºC, using a meat thermometer to confirm its internal temperature. Wash and sanitize your
    hands, utensils, plates, cutting boards, and anything else that may come
    in contact with ground turkey while it is raw. Never return cooked meat
    to a plate that held the meat raw, and eat it soon after cooking it.

    Finally, stick to turkey products that say "organic" or "no antibiotics"
    on the packaging. Though the study found that these are just as likely
    to be contaminated with bacteria, they are less likely to be resistant
    to antibiotics if you do become sick, according to Consumer Reports.

    See also: https://www.fsis.usda.gov/recalls-alerts/jennie-o-turkey- store-sales-llc-recalls-raw-ground-turkey-products-due-possible

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Tiny Turkey Knaidlach
    Categories: Poultry, Dumplings
    Yield: 22 Servings

    8 oz Ground turkey
    1/4 c Fresh chopped parsley
    1/3 c Matzo meal
    1 lg Egg; lightly beaten
    1/8 ts Ground nutmeg
    1/2 ts Salt
    1/8 ts Pepper

    Combine turkey, parsley, matzo meal, egg, nutmeg, salt
    and pepper. Chill 2 hours or overnight.

    Roll into small balls (1" dia). Drop gently into pot
    of boiling water. Cover and cook for 5 to 7 minutes or
    until cooked in center.

    Chill and reheat when needed.

    Makes 20 to 24 balls.

    TO REHEAT: Cover with foil and place in a 350ºF/175ºC
    oven.

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452 to Dave Drum on Tue Oct 26 09:43:26 2021
    Dave Drum wrote to All <=-

    UDD NOTE: This may be one of those hyperbolic scare deals. But, I'm
    not going to chance it.
    AVOID THIS ONE TYPE OF MEAT: Experts Say 90% of ground turkey is contaminated with harmful bacteria.

    This is the only type of ground meat we've been buying. <sigh>

    Shawn

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  • From JIM WELLER@1:135/392 to DAVE DRUM on Mon Oct 25 22:55:00 2021

    Quoting Dave Drum to All <=-

    ... are trying to kill you.
    From: https://bestlifeonline.com

    Experts Say 90% of ground turkey is contaminated with harmful
    bacteria / according to Consumer Reports. In 2013 ...

    It only takes one sick bird to contaminate a whole assembly line for
    a whole shift or longer. Perhaps the industry is somewhat cleaner
    these days. The numbers I came up with tonight are better although
    not wonderful.

    Ground beef has a detectable amount of fecal matter although not
    necessarily e-coli in 1 in 500 samples.

    About 4% of factory processed whole chickens had fecal matter but
    necessarily salmonella.

    But 48% of ground chicken and turkey samples were contaminated.

    Some things to consider though. Limits of detection are extremely
    low. Fecal matter is always contaminated with e-coli or salmonella.
    Not all e-coli strains are equally virulent. Most immune systems can
    cope with modest amounts of bacteria; we only become ill when our
    immune systems are overwhelmed. Careful handling, adequate cooking
    and thorough cleaning of counter and utensils can reduce the risks
    from contaminated meat by several orders of magnitude.

    Some stats I dug up years ago when talking to Ian Hoare: the
    incidents of salmonella poisoning per 100,000 people in the USA was
    twice as high as in Canada or Australia but Canada and Australia were
    still 6 times worse than in the EU countries (where meats are quite
    expensive.)

    The Dutch can tell within 24 hours from their tracking system where
    an infected bird was raised, which factory processed it, which store
    sold it and even which trucks transported the bird. The farm,
    trucking company, processing plant and retail store all have to shut
    down, deep clean, destroy inventory and kill flocks. But the whole
    system is super clean and salmonella is now extremely rare there.

    Having said that ground meats are always riskier than whole cuts. If
    a large chunk of meat is contaminated, it's just on the surface which
    gets seared even on the rarest steak and roast but with ground
    meats the contaminated surface gets intimately mixed in with the
    interior meat. That's why I don't order my burgers rare, just
    my steaks and roasts. One can of course flash sear a roast at 550 F
    for a few minutes and then grind one's own ground meat from the
    still raw roast and safely eat raw tartare or rare burgers.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Kimchi Fries With Pulled Pork
    Categories: Snacks, Potatoes, Pork, Fusion
    Yield: 1 Serving

    French fries
    TOPPED WITH:
    pulled pork
    garlic mayo
    green onions
    kimchi

    It sounds (and looks) like a bit of a mess, doesn't it? It's
    surprising how harmonious the flavors are. The dish starts with
    perfectly cooked, crispy-on-the-outside and creamy-on-the-inside
    fries, topped with impressively smoky pulled pork (it spends a solid
    10 hours in a smoker), and garlicky house-made mayo. The whole
    thing's finished off with chopped green onions and a generous amount
    of spicy kimchi; these last two ingredients add a powerful punch
    that helps cut through the richness of the potato, pork, and mayo
    combo. In short, these are some crazy good fries.

    Made at: Banh Mi Boys in Toronto, ON

    Posted by: Michael Nusair

    From: Serious Eats

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    Jim


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  • From Dave Drum@1:261/38 to Shawn Highfield on Wed Oct 27 06:35:18 2021
    Shawn Highfield wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    UDD NOTE: This may be one of those hyperbolic scare deals. But, I'm
    not going to chance it.

    AVOID THIS ONE TYPE OF MEAT: Experts Say 90% of ground turkey is contaminated with harmful bacteria.

    This is the only type of ground meat we've been buying. <sigh>

    It may not be as bad as the sensationalism of the writing implied. In contamination, unlike in pregnancy, there are degrees. But, to be "safe" you should still cook the snot out of it.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Tofurkey Loaf
    Categories: Vegetables, Sauces, Wine, Vegan
    Yield: 7 servings

    2 lb (1 lb ea) blocks firm tofu
    3 tb Soy sauce
    1 1/2 tb Toasted sesame oil
    1 1/2 tb Dry sherry
    3 tb Water
    1/4 ts Pepper

    Freeze the tofu for at least one day then thaw it and
    squeeze out the excess water. This changes the
    consistency of the tofu, making it chewier and more
    porous.

    Place the two blocks of tofu next to each other in an
    oiled loaf pan, making sure that they are as close
    together as possible.

    Combine the soy sauce, sesame oil, sherry, water, and
    pepper to create a marinade.

    Pour 2/3 of this marinade over the tofu, cover the dish,
    and place it in the refrigerator overnight. Cover the
    remaining marinade and refrigerate it.

    Remove the tofu from the refrigerator and pour the
    remaining marinade over the top.

    Bake @ 350+|F/175+|C for 90 minutes, basting every half
    hour and flipping after 45 minutes. (When flipping the
    tofu, use caution so that it does not break apart.)

    Cool the tofu to room temperature or place in the
    freezer until cool, at which point it will have a firm,
    meaty consistency.

    Use it in sandwiches, as a main dish with gravy, or come
    up with your own serving ideas.

    Makes 6-8 servings

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.zimbio.com

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  • From JIM WELLER@1:135/392 to SHAWN HIGHFIELD on Tue Oct 26 21:59:00 2021

    Quoting Shawn Highfield to Dave Drum <=-

    AVOID THIS ONE TYPE OF MEAT: Experts Say 90% of ground turkey is contaminated with harmful bacteria.

    This is the only type of ground meat we've been buying. <sigh>

    I kind of covered that off in yesterday's post. Good food handling
    and cleanup technique and thorough cooking eliminate the risk.
    After all 38 million Canadians suffer from just 6,000 to 12,000
    serious cases of salmonella a year, not 90% of us per week.

    Hell, I've only had food poisoning 4 times in my whole life and I'm 71.
    And none of those four bouts were from my own cooking.

    https://tinyurl.com/bad-dirty-birds

    This ought to kill any nasties:

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    Title: Bour.B.Q Sauce
    Categories: Canadian, BBQ, sauces
    Servings: 1 quart

    1/4 c unsalted butter
    1/4 c vegetable oil
    2 md onions, minced
    3/4 c bourbon
    2/3 c ketchup
    1/2 c cider vinegar
    1/2 c freshly squeezed orange
    juice
    1/2 c pure maple syrup
    1/3 c molasses
    2 tb Worcestershire sauce
    1/2 ts freshly ground black pepper
    1/2 ts table salt

    In a large saucepan, melt butter with oil over medium heat. Add
    onions and saute until golden brown. Add remaining ingredients and
    simmer until thickened stirring frequently.

    The Royal Canadian Legion
    Waterford Branch #123
    Waterford, Ontario

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    Jim

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452 to JIM WELLER on Fri Oct 29 08:09:50 2021
    JIM WELLER wrote to SHAWN HIGHFIELD <=-

    This is the only type of ground meat we've been buying. <sigh>
    I kind of covered that off in yesterday's post. Good food handling
    and cleanup technique and thorough cooking eliminate the risk.

    I keep a clean kitchen so I'm not that worried. Plus we haven't gotten
    sick yet and we do always cook ground meats to the recomended temp.

    After all 38 million Canadians suffer from just 6,000 to 12,000
    serious cases of salmonella a year, not 90% of us per week.

    True enough! Thanks Jim.

    Hell, I've only had food poisoning 4 times in my whole life and I'm 71. And none of those four bouts were from my own cooking.

    Twice for me, both times at restaurants. My daughter /all/ the time as she
    is famous for taking meat out of the freezer and plonking it on the counter
    for 8 hours. <sigh> She won't learn.

    Shawn

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dave Drum on Thu Oct 28 12:34:10 2021
    Dave Drum wrote to All <=-

    UDD NOTE: This may be one of those hyperbolic scare deals. But, I'm
    not going to chance it.
    AVOID THIS ONE TYPE OF MEAT: Experts Say 90% of ground turkey is contaminated with harmful bacteria.

    I have eaten ground turkey for decades without issue. However, I always
    cook it properly and treat it like I would any other raw meat concerning
    proper cooking and handling as well as proper cleaning and sanitizing afterwards.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Country-Style Turkey Pie
    Categories:
    Yield: 6 Servings

    1/4 c Butter
    1/3 c Flour
    3 c Milk
    1 tb Chicken stock base
    1/2 ts Worcestershire sauce
    2 tb Sherry
    3 dr Tabasco sauce
    2 c Cooked turkey
    1 1/2 c Fresh mushroom; sliced
    1 c Carrot; cooked
    1 8 oz. can small sweet
    -onion; drained
    1 tb Butter; melted
    1 tb Parmesan cheese
    1 1/2 c Flour
    3/4 ts Salt
    1/4 ts Poultry seasoning
    1/2 c Shortening
    1/3 c Milk

    Prepare Herb Pastry as directed below. Melt 1/4 cup butter in
    saucepan, blend in flour. Stir in milk slowly, add chicken base,
    salt and Worcestershire sauce. Cook, stirring, until sauce boils and
    thickens. Stir in sherry and tabasco. Add turkey meat, mushrooms,
    carrots, and drained onions, and heat. Turn into a 1 1/2-quart
    baking dish. Place pastry over dish, fluting edge of pastry against
    rim. Bake in 400 degree oven about 20 minutes, until pastry is
    almost done. Brush top with 1 tablespoon melted butter, and sprinkle
    with cheese. Bake 10 minutes longer, until nicely browned. HERB
    PASTRY: Combine 1 1/2 cups sifted all-purpose flour with 3/4 teaspoon
    salt and 1/4 teaspoon poultry seasoning. Cut in 1/2 cup shortening
    until particles are about the size of peas. Sprinkle with about 1/3
    cup cold milk, using just enough to make dough hold together. Roll
    pastry to fit top of baking dish. Cut out steam vents in pie crust
    and place on baking dish. Crimp the edge. Posted to EAT-L Digest 28
    Aug 96

    Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:39:18 -0400

    From: Brenda Adams <ADAMSFMLE@AOL.COM> NOTES
    : A Classic!!
    Posted to EAT-L 8/29/96

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Sean Dennis on Tue Nov 2 05:10:00 2021
    Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    UDD NOTE: This may be one of those hyperbolic scare deals. But, I'm
    not going to chance it.

    AVOID THIS ONE TYPE OF MEAT: Experts Say 90% of ground turkey is contaminated with harmful bacteria.

    I have eaten ground turkey for decades without issue. However, I
    always cook it properly and treat it like I would any other raw meat concerning proper cooking and handling as well as proper cleaning and sanitizing afterwards.

    Likewise ... but it's faaaaaaar from my first choice. I'd much rather
    have sliced/shredded turkey than ground.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Country-Style Turkey Pie
    Categories:
    Yield: 6 Servings

    My MMCONV program which I run all my "raw" recipes through has a default category of "FIXIT". Which allows me to find my omissions before I take
    the file to Meal Monster for import. If you don't have a copy I can
    e-mail you the 54K Zip file. It doesn't have a huge footprint but it
    sure does make my life a lot easier. Bv)=

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    Title: Three Bean Bake
    Categories: Beans, Crockpot
    Yield: 6 Servings

    16 oz Can Great Northern beans;
    - undrained
    16 oz Can Brooks Chilli Hot beans;
    - undrained
    16 oz Can Kidney beans; drained
    1/3 c Ketchup
    1/3 c Firm packed brown sugar
    1/2 ts Powered ginger

    In 2 quart microwave safe casserole or dish, combine all
    ingredients. Mix well. Cover with Waxed Paper. Microwave
    on HIGH for 8 - 11 minutes, stirring twice during cooking.
    If thicker juice is wanted, Micro in two min increments on
    80% power. Stir often.

    CROCK POT Directions. Combine all ingredients, mix well.
    Cover - cook on High setting for 2 hours. If thicker juice
    is wanted, remove cover, cook 1 hour longer, stirring
    occasionally.

    == Courtesy of Dale & Gail Shipp, Columbia Md. ==

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