I have an old Lenovo t-43 laptop running XP. It has a 40gb hard drive,[]
which is too small for my needs. With the OS, and the programs I use,
80gb hard drive. I found a 160gb drive for $3 more than an 89gb, so I
bought the 160gb.
I dont have the drive yet, but when I get it, I want to clone the
current drive to the new one, so I dont have to reinstall everything.
But how do I do this?
Laptops dont have space for a second HDD. (at least mine dont).
I have one of those cable kits that is for hooking any 3.5" IDE or SATA
drive to a USB port. It dont have the plug for these 2.5" drives, so I
assume I will have to buy one made for these 2.5" laptop drives.
(Do they sell adaptor kits for these laptop drives?)
(Are they labeled for these kind of drives)?
Once I buy the adaptor, I think all I have to do is run Partition Magic
8, (which I have) to clone the drive.
But once it's cloned, will it boot, or do I need to do something to make
it bootable?
But then I was wondering if it's possible to clone the drive to a 64gb
flash drive, then clone it from the flash drive to the new HDD? The only >problem there, is that this computer can not be booted from a USB drive,
so I will probably have to borrow a newer laptop to clone from the USB
to the new HDD.
Will that even work?
Cloning _from within the OS you're running_ is IMO flaky to do, though
some utilities (certainly Macrium, I don't know about PM) claim to be
able to.
In message <cc700d19sjnpt5sn0lk8gmavtm6n4rtg5e@4ax.com>,
james@nospam.com writes:
I have an old Lenovo t-43 laptop running XP. It has a 40gb hard drive, >>which is too small for my needs. With the OS, and the programs I use,[]
80gb hard drive. I found a 160gb drive for $3 more than an 89gb, so I >>bought the 160gb.
I dont have the drive yet, but when I get it, I want to clone the
current drive to the new one, so I dont have to reinstall everything.
But how do I do this?
Laptops dont have space for a second HDD. (at least mine dont).
Does it have an optical drive?
I have one of those cable kits that is for hooking any 3.5" IDE or SATA >>drive to a USB port. It dont have the plug for these 2.5" drives, so I >>assume I will have to buy one made for these 2.5" laptop drives.
All the ones I've seen have a plug with two sides to it: one for the
3.5" drives, and one for the 2.5" drives. (With the ones that do SATA as >well having the SATA connector in the middle of that plug.) I'd be
surprised if, if it does SATA, it doesn't also do 2.5".
(Do they sell adaptor kits for these laptop drives?)
(Are they labeled for these kind of drives)?
Once I buy the adaptor, I think all I have to do is run Partition Magic
8, (which I have) to clone the drive.
Cloning _from within the OS you're running_ is IMO flaky to do, though
some utilities (certainly Macrium, I don't know about PM) claim to be
able to. If you'll be running it on another computer, i. e. just using
the drive passively, that should be fine.
Make sure you clone C: and any unlettered ("hidden") partitions. (For a
40G drive, just cloning the whole drive is probably easiest.)
But once it's cloned, will it boot, or do I need to do something to make
it bootable?
When I did it - though I imaged C: and the hidden to an image on an
external drive, then restored from that image to the new (bigger) drive, >rather than cloning - it booted, though the first time some Samsung
recovery software cut in and offered to run (it's a Samsung netbook), so
I let it, and after a few minutes my old desktop appeared as before. (I
then used a partition manager to enlarge C: and recreate D:. It is
possible I might have been able to do that at the restoring-image stage:
I just wanted to do one thing at a time.)
But then I was wondering if it's possible to clone the drive to a 64gb >>flash drive, then clone it from the flash drive to the new HDD? The only >>problem there, is that this computer can not be booted from a USB drive,
so I will probably have to borrow a newer laptop to clone from the USB
to the new HDD.
Sounds like you only have the one PC, so you would ...
But, especially given that you have that cable set, I'd get another
Will that even work?
drive - whatever's cheapest, probably a 3.5" SATA one; that way you can >image the present drive to the external drive, IMO using a boot CD made >using Macrium or Acronis so you don't have to do it from inside XP, then >(again using the boot CD) restore from the image to the new drive: that
way, you'll still have the external drive to make backup images on in >future. Always good to make backups! (As I know to my cost! my HD just >stopped spinning one day; the heads (or probably only one) had stuck to
the platter, probably due to overheating. Fortunately, when I gave up
all else and actually opened the drive in a clean cabinet, I was able to >free them/it, and the drive then worked well enough to extract the
image.)
I have a desktop computer
Thanks for all the replies.
I bought on ebay, two 40 pin (3.5" drive) to 44pin (2.5" laptop drive) >connectors.
Here is the plan, I hope it will work.
I have a desktop puter with XP booting from a SATA drive. There is a IDE >connector on the motherboard. The plan is to connect both the old 40gb
drive and the new 160gb drive to that IDE connector, using those
adaptors. I hope it boots from the SATA drive, not the OS on that 40gb
drive. (I dont know if there is a way to control that). If it works to
that point, I will simply run Partition Magic from the boot drive, and
clone that 40gb to the 160gb drive.
Ques: If I clone that whole 40gb drive, will I get a 40gb partition on
the new drive? Actually, that would be fine. I will keep the 40gb
partition as the boot one, and the remaining 120gb will be for
downloading and storing videos and music.
Before cloning, I may dump my current music and videos to a flash drive,
so there is less to clone. THe main thing that needs to be cloned is the
OS and the programs.
I can move that file storage back from the flash drive later.
One other thing, will XP need to be re verified with MS due to the new
hard drive?
by unnecessarily full-quoting an entire thread, wrote:("Write" will do.) Or get a copy of Macrium or Acronis, and make the
I have a desktop computer
Good.
Go get yourself a copy of Norton Ghost 2003. There should be a floppy
image of it floating around the internet somewhere. Burn the image to
a floppy. (maybe burn isin't the right term, but you get the idea).
Set your motherboard to boot from floppy. Put the floppy in the drive.
If you have a ps/2 mouse, plug it into the motherboard. If you don't,
then that might be a problem. If your motherboard has IDE ports (which
you say it does) then it should have ps/2 mouse port.
Next, unplug all existing drives in the system from the motherboard.
You don't want them connected to the motherboard during cloning.
Now, you have the drive you want to clone (a 40 gb ide) and the drive
you want as the destination of the clone (160 gb).
Connect both of those drives to the motherboard. Doesn't matter how or
to which IDE port.
Next, boot the system from the floppy.Or CD.
Ghost will start. Ask you a few questions - say no to forensic >identification.
Choose copy - disk to disk
Choose the source drive. It will be the 40 gb drive.
Choose the destination drive. It will be the 160 gb drive.
It will show you the layout of the destination drive - the volume sizes
will be increased because the destination drive is larger.
Tell it to start the copy. Yes, you know that everything on the
destination drive will be wiped out.
Copy will happen at anywhere from 800 mb/sec to maybe double that,
depending on how new / fast the motherboard is.
When it's done, close Ghost and turn off the computer, disconnect your >drives, install the 160 gb drive in the laptop and see if it boots.
Ghost normally duplicates most aspects of the source drive, like volume >serial number (VSN). XP will do a check of hardware at boot and you
will lose a vote for having a different drive-size but will not lose
the VSN vote. There'a a program called xpinfo.exe that will tell you
how many votes your system currently has. You need 5 for XP to remain >validated. You get 3 just from the MAC address, 1 for amount of ram, 1
for video card, 2 or 3 for the hard drive (size, VSN, maybe something
else). If you go below 5 votes, XP will force you to reconnect with
the Micro$haft mothership and re-validate your XP installation.
Go get yourself a copy of Norton Ghost 2003.
Or get a copy of Macrium or Acronis,
Copy will happen at anywhere from 800 mb/sec to maybe double that,
depending on how new / fast the motherboard is.
There'a a program called xpinfo.exe that will tell you
Any idea where to get that?
Don't the votes regenerate after a period (120 days or some such), to
allow people to upgrade/repair their PC?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Go get yourself a copy of Norton Ghost 2003.
Or get a copy of Macrium or Acronis,
If the computer has a working floppy drive, and you can manage to
create a working copy of Ghost on it, then there is nothing easier than >booting a system from floppy vs messing around with CD drives and bios >settings, as well as trying to figure out how to connect 3 IDE devices
(2 drives and 1 CD drive) and getting everything to work.
And in my experience, the other CD-based programs can frequently not >generate a bootable clone. I've cloned over 100 drives from a handful
of different XP-SP2 and SP3 master drives using Ghost.
If you want to use a CD-based drive copy program, get your hands on a
copy of Hiren's BootCD and putz around with the various software on it.
Potential problems with going the Ghost route is getting a working >combination of floppy drive and floppy disk. Over time both seem to go
bad, bad sectors, alignment problems, dust, etc.
Copy will happen at anywhere from 800 mb/sec to maybe double that, >>>depending on how new / fast the motherboard is.
Correction - 800 mb/minute. Two IDE drives on a Pentium-4 PC.
When cloning sata-to-sata on a Core2 motherboard I can typically get
3500 mb/minute.
There'a a program called xpinfo.exe that will tell youAny idea where to get that?
I just checked here:
http://www.licenturion.com/xp/xpinfo-exe.zip
By the way, this is where you can get Ghost 2003:
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/265545~688de4fa5cfd7a3653cce1c3f14 >7b3d4/GHOST_BOOTx.zip
Don't the votes regenerate after a period (120 days or some such), to >>allow people to upgrade/repair their PC?
Yes, a system that hasn't tried to re-validate itself in the past 120
days should be in the clear to do it again, but I think the risk is too
high if you can avoid it. The risk that your product key has, for
what-ever reason, been added to Micro$haft's black-list of keys.
Just out of curiosity, why have you cloned so many from "a handful"?
Is that going to be either easier or better than Macrium or Acronis? (Or does Hiren include one or both of those?)
Yes, a system that hasn't tried to re-validate itself in the past 120
days should be in the clear to do it again, but I think the risk is
too high if you can avoid it. The risk that your product key has, for
what-ever reason, been added to Micro$haft's black-list of keys.
Does XPinfo (on machines where it works!) cover this, or only compare
the system to how it was at (last) activation? (Or original activation?)
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:[]
Just out of curiosity, why have you cloned so many from "a handful"?
We made several hundred windows-based systems with custom hardware
Is that going to be either easier or better than Macrium or Acronis?
(Or does Hiren include one or both of those?)
Hiren's BootCD is at version 15.3 (or maybe higher?). Previous
versions have included Macrium Reflect 4.2.3775 and Acronis True Image >8.1.945 (or higher). I don't know if the current / latest version still >includes Macrium or Acronis. Sometimes commercial stuff gets removed
from Hiren's so different versions will contain a different mix of
software. You probably need to get older (maybe more desirable)
versions of Hiren's from mirror sites or torrent.
Yes, a system that hasn't tried to re-validate itself in the pastcompare the system to how it was at (last) activation? (Or original >>activation?)
120 days should be in the clear to do it again, but I think the risk
is too high if you can avoid it. The risk that your product key
has, for what-ever reason, been added to Micro$haft's black-list of keys. >> Does XPinfo (on machines where it works!) cover this, or only
I think I knew that XPinfo didn't work with VLK, but I thought it did
work with OEM licenses. I can tell you it works with system builder
and retail licenses, and *I think* MSDN / Technet subscriptions too.
XPinfo will tell you the current state of which components are the same
now vs when XP was last validated (which is usually, but not
necessarily when XP was originally installed).
It didn't work on this machine (came - new - with XP installed). Well, I
say didn't work: it at first came up with an error box saying "Cannot collect configuration data (-204). (a) You are running a volume-licensed version or OEM release of Windows XP. (b) You have not activated your installation of XP, yet. OK". (I assume there's an implied "OR" between those.) When I click OK, it comes up with another window headed "Fully Licensed" in big letters, below which are ten text boxes for things like Processor model, which are indeed greyed out; it does show the first 15 characters of the key though.
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
It didn't work on this machine (came - new - with XP installed).
Well, I say didn't work: it at first came up with an error box saying >>"Cannot collect configuration data (-204). (a) You are running a >>volume-licensed version or OEM release of Windows XP. (b) You have
not activated your installation of XP, yet. OK". (I assume there's an >>implied "OR" between those.) When I click OK, it comes up with
another window headed "Fully Licensed" in big letters, below which
are ten text boxes for things like Processor model, which are indeed >>greyed out; it does show the first 15 characters of the key though.
Take your key sequence (the entire part of it that XPInfo shows, or
maybe just 1 or 2 of the sequences) and do a google search on that.
If your key is OEM, then your key should be well-known and will appear
in some list or discussion somewhere at some time.
If you can't find any mention of any part of your key on the internet, >chances are very high it's not oem or vlk.
Thanks for that. Incidentally, xpinfo doesn't work with OEM (or VLK).
[]
By the way, this is where you can get Ghost 2003:
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/265545~688de4fa5cfd7a3653cce1c3f14 >>7b3d4/GHOST_BOOTx.zip
Thanks for that too. I've downloaded both.
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 12:46:05 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
Thanks for that. Incidentally, xpinfo doesn't work with OEM (or VLK).
[]
By the way, this is where you can get Ghost 2003:Thanks for that too. I've downloaded both.
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/265545~688de4fa5cfd7a3653cce1c3f14 >>> 7b3d4/GHOST_BOOTx.zip
It looks like you are saying that you downloaded the Ghost zipfile. Is
that correct?
It is refusing to download for me. It starts downloading and fails after about 10 seconds, saying "source could not be read".
Maybe this has something to do with my slow dialup internet, but it dont
even try. I have tried to DL this thing at least 10 times, used
different browsers too.
Another browser said:
"Does not appear to be a valid archive"
The file is 1.3mb. It will take a half hour on my dialup, but I can
usually DL files of that size without problems.
This does look to be thge best way to clone these drives. I dont even
want to attempt to do it with a CD, because I've been thru trying to configure CD drives and Hard drives on the same cable, and it naver
worked. Not to mention I only have connectors for TWO IDEs and would
need THREE. On top of that, I will do anything to avoid burning CDs.
Thats generally another nightmare, especially if they need to be
bootable.
I'll have to drive to town and see if I can download it at a WIFI, but
it sure seems like the file is borked, and I'm not willing to drive 10
miles for nothing.
The file is 1.3mb. It will take a half hour on my dialup, but I can
usually DL files of that size without problems.
This does look to be thge best way to clone these drives. I dont even
want to attempt to do it with a CD, because I've been thru trying to
configure CD drives and Hard drives on the same cable, and it naver
worked. Not to mention I only have connectors for TWO IDEs and would
need THREE. On top of that, I will do anything to avoid burning CDs.
Thats generally another nightmare, especially if they need to be
bootable.
I'll have to drive to town and see if I can download it at a WIFI, but
it sure seems like the file is borked, and I'm not willing to drive 10
miles for nothing.
Do you have a copy of "wget.exe" ?
wget http://www.domain.com/file.zip
That puts "file.zip" in your current working directory
plus it give you a progress bar to watch the download.
*******
The one in here is fairly small. If I get the gnuwin32 one,
that has bigger files for some reason.
2,265,402 bytes (this is the WinXP windows update fetcher package)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140605101941/http://download.wsusoffline.net/wsu soffline921.zip
Inside the ZIP file, in wsusoffline\bin\ you will find--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
wget.exe 233984 bytes.
You can then try that on the annoying NGINX server
at dslreports.
Paul
On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 03:18:09 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
This got 404 ErrorThe file is 1.3mb. It will take a half hour on my dialup, but I canDo you have a copy of "wget.exe" ?
usually DL files of that size without problems.
This does look to be thge best way to clone these drives. I dont even
want to attempt to do it with a CD, because I've been thru trying to
configure CD drives and Hard drives on the same cable, and it naver
worked. Not to mention I only have connectors for TWO IDEs and would
need THREE. On top of that, I will do anything to avoid burning CDs.
Thats generally another nightmare, especially if they need to be
bootable.
I'll have to drive to town and see if I can download it at a WIFI, but
it sure seems like the file is borked, and I'm not willing to drive 10
miles for nothing.
wget http://www.domain.com/file.zip
The page you requested no longer exists or is temporarily unavailable.
That puts "file.zip" in your current working directoryAnd this thing quit early too, and left me with a useless 300K file.
plus it give you a progress bar to watch the download.
*******
The one in here is fairly small. If I get the gnuwin32 one,
that has bigger files for some reason.
2,265,402 bytes (this is the WinXP windows update fetcher package)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140605101941/http://download.wsusoffline.net/wsus offline921.zip
Inside the ZIP file, in wsusoffline\bin\ you will find
wget.exe 233984 bytes.
You can then try that on the annoying NGINX server
at dslreports.
Paul
It looks like you are saying that you downloaded the Ghost zipfile. Is
that correct? It is refusing to download for me. It starts downloading
and fails after about 10 seconds, saying "source could not be read".
The file is 1.3mb. It will take a half hour on my dialup, but I can
usually DL files of that size without problems.
Do you have a copy of "wget.exe" ?
Ghost 2003:
Paul wrote:
It looks like you are saying that you downloaded the Ghost zipfile. Is
that correct? It is refusing to download for me. It starts
downloading and fails after about 10 seconds, saying "source could
not be read".
The file is 1.3mb. It will take a half hour on my dialup, but I can
usually DL files of that size without problems.
The file is 1310 kbytes.
On a 56kbit dial-up connection, your throughput should be 5.5 kbyte/sec.
1310 / 5.5 = 238 seconds. That's about 4 minutes. Shouldn't take you
1/2 hour to download a 1.3 megabyte file.
Firefox 2.0.0.20 can download the above zip file with no problem.
Do you have a copy of "wget.exe" ?
Odd thing I'm finding about wget lately. I've got 2 versions of it on
my win-98 computer. Both of them are giving me this error:
idn_decode failed (9): 'System iconv failed'
This is not a host-ip DNS resolution failure, and this has nothing to do with using wget to retrieve an https url.
wget used to work, but I haven't used it in a while.
Ghost 2003:
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/265545~688de4fa5cfd7a3653cce1c3f147b3d4/ GHOST_BOOTx.zip
Paul wrote:
It looks like you are saying that you downloaded the Ghost zipfile. Is
that correct? It is refusing to download for me. It starts downloading
and fails after about 10 seconds, saying "source could not be read".
The file is 1.3mb. It will take a half hour on my dialup, but I can
usually DL files of that size without problems.
The file is 1310 kbytes.
On a 56kbit dial-up connection, your throughput should be 5.5 kbyte/sec.
1310 / 5.5 = 238 seconds. That's about 4 minutes. Shouldn't take you
1/2 hour to download a 1.3 megabyte file.
Firefox 2.0.0.20 can download the above zip file with no problem.
Do you have a copy of "wget.exe" ?
Odd thing I'm finding about wget lately. I've got 2 versions of it on
my win-98 computer. Both of them are giving me this error:
idn_decode failed (9): 'System iconv failed'
This is not a host-ip DNS resolution failure, and this has nothing to do >with using wget to retrieve an https url.
wget used to work, but I haven't used it in a while.
Some Guy wrote:
Ghost 2003:
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/265545~688de4fa5cfd7a3653cce1c3f147b3d4/G HOST_BOOTx.zip
Paul wrote:
It looks like you are saying that you downloaded the Ghost zipfile. Is >>>> that correct? It is refusing to download for me. It starts
downloading and fails after about 10 seconds, saying "source could
not be read".
The file is 1.3mb. It will take a half hour on my dialup, but I can
usually DL files of that size without problems.
The file is 1310 kbytes.
On a 56kbit dial-up connection, your throughput should be 5.5 kbyte/sec.
1310 / 5.5 = 238 seconds. That's about 4 minutes. Shouldn't take you
1/2 hour to download a 1.3 megabyte file.
Firefox 2.0.0.20 can download the above zip file with no problem.
Do you have a copy of "wget.exe" ?
Odd thing I'm finding about wget lately. I've got 2 versions of it on
my win-98 computer. Both of them are giving me this error:
idn_decode failed (9): 'System iconv failed'
This is not a host-ip DNS resolution failure, and this has nothing to do
with using wget to retrieve an https url.
wget used to work, but I haven't used it in a while.
When you unpack the above GHOST_BOOTx.zip file, are
you finding it corrupted ? There seems to be a problem
unpacking the second floppy image. The file might have
been truncated.
The copy of wget in the wsusoffline download, doesn't
use a separate iconv.dll like the gnuwin32 version
does. You might test that and see if you get a similar
error. For some reason, the wsusoffline version is
a lot smaller than the current gnuwin32 downloads
one. And I can't tell the history of these things,
because the files don't contain metadata to mark them.
There's nothing magic about the wget, and this is just
an experiment to see if another transfer agent will
give any different kind of result.
Paul
When you unpack the above GHOST_BOOTx.zip file, are
you finding it corrupted ? There seems to be a problem
unpacking the second floppy image. The file might have
been truncated.
I just bought Norton Ghost 2003 on ebay for $10 shipped.
Back in the 90s, a person could get any commercial software on
the web, but that is no longer the case.
Paul wrote:
When you unpack the above GHOST_BOOTx.zip file, are
you finding it corrupted ? There seems to be a problem
unpacking the second floppy image. The file might have
been truncated.
The page where I got the ghost link from is this:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r5620695-Ghost-2003-Floppy-for-BootCD
The first post gives a direct link to the file. If you click on the
link and download it, you get a file with 1,340,942 bytes and it will
have the current (real-time) date and time.
The direct link is this (this is what I posted earlier in this thread):
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/265545~688de4fa5cfd7a3653cce1c3f147b3d4/ GHOST_BOOTx.zip
I now see that if you try to download this file using wget, or by
directly entering it into a browser, you get a file with 1,339,806
bytes, and it has a date of 1/11/2004 (at least that's what I'm seeing).
And it won't unpack.
It might be that the dslreports server is not giving the entire file
unless your http file request includes this as the referrer url:
www.dslreports.com/forum/r5620695-Ghost-2003-Floppy-for-BootCD
wget won't give any referrer URL (unless you specifiy one on the command >line, assuming wget has that ability).
So in other words, you need to access this page using any browser:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r5620695-Ghost-2003-Floppy-for-BootCD
And then click on the ghost download link in the first post.
Paul wrote:
When you unpack the above GHOST_BOOTx.zip file, are
you finding it corrupted ? There seems to be a problem
unpacking the second floppy image. The file might have
been truncated.
The page where I got the ghost link from is this:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r5620695-Ghost-2003-Floppy-for-BootCD
The first post gives a direct link to the file. If you click on the
link and download it, you get a file with 1,340,942 bytes and it will
have the current (real-time) date and time.
The direct link is this (this is what I posted earlier in this thread):
I now see that if you try to download this file using wget, or by
directly entering it into a browser, you get a file with 1,339,806
bytes, and it has a date of 1/11/2004 (at least that's what I'm seeing).
And it won't unpack.
It might be that the dslreports server is not giving the entire file
unless your http file request includes this as the referrer url:
www.dslreports.com/forum/r5620695-Ghost-2003-Floppy-for-BootCD
wget won't give any referrer URL (unless you specifiy one on the command line, assuming wget has that ability).
So in other words, you need to access this page using any browser:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r5620695-Ghost-2003-Floppy-for-BootCD
And then click on the ghost download link in the first post.
On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:23:32 -0500, Some Guy <Some@Guy.C0M> wrote:
Paul wrote:
When you unpack the above GHOST_BOOTx.zip file, areThe page where I got the ghost link from is this:
you finding it corrupted ? There seems to be a problem
unpacking the second floppy image. The file might have
been truncated.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r5620695-Ghost-2003-Floppy-for-BootCD
The first post gives a direct link to the file. If you click on the
link and download it, you get a file with 1,340,942 bytes and it will
have the current (real-time) date and time.
The direct link is this (this is what I posted earlier in this thread):
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/265545~688de4fa5cfd7a3653cce1c3f147b3d4/G HOST_BOOTx.zip
I now see that if you try to download this file using wget, or by
directly entering it into a browser, you get a file with 1,339,806
bytes, and it has a date of 1/11/2004 (at least that's what I'm seeing).
And it won't unpack.
It might be that the dslreports server is not giving the entire file
unless your http file request includes this as the referrer url:
www.dslreports.com/forum/r5620695-Ghost-2003-Floppy-for-BootCD
wget won't give any referrer URL (unless you specifiy one on the command
line, assuming wget has that ability).
So in other words, you need to access this page using any browser:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r5620695-Ghost-2003-Floppy-for-BootCD
And then click on the ghost download link in the first post.
Good grief....
If it's that complicated and confusing, I'm glad I spent the $10 to buy
it. By the time I got this thing downloaded I would have spent at least
$10 for headache medication......
Actually I think I did get a usable download, at least the zipfile
opens, but after I open it, I had no clue what to do with the .EXE
inside of it.
I'm hoping the CD in my purchased copy will allow me to create a
bootable floppy. I'll be doing that using a different computer which has
a CD drive, and a USB floppy drive.
I cant run a CD drive on the computer I intend to use to clone the hard drives. I need both IDE connectors for drives. There wont be one
available for a CD drive.
I'm sure one I get this in the mail, I will figure it out from the
manual included with it.
For the EXE, double-click it, stick a blank floppy in the
floppy drive, and there should be a winimage screen...
https://s8.postimg.org/7xor5c1id/click_that_EXE.gif
There might have been files on the floppy that were
deleted, just before the diskette was winimaged. In which
case, after the floppy is written, you could run recuva
or photorec or stuff of that sort, and see what "old"
files were on that floppy. Just for fun of course.
I don't really know what's on there.
Paul
I compared the two files, and there is a weirdness at
around every ~32KB of data in the ZIP. Almost as if
maybe the file was being re-encoded on the fly
by the NGINX server.
For the EXE, double-click it, stick a blank floppy in the
floppy drive, and there should be a winimage screen...
https://s8.postimg.org/7xor5c1id/click_that_EXE.gif
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 03:06:11 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
For the EXE, double-click it, stick a blank floppy in the
floppy drive, and there should be a winimage screen...
https://s8.postimg.org/7xor5c1id/click_that_EXE.gif
Ok, I clicked on it on my lastop and I got that same view. There is no
floppy drive on that laptop though. I do have an external USB floppy
drive, I wonder if that will work? (First I got to find that thing).
Actually the only computer that has a floppy drive is my Windows 98
machine. I hope this EXE will run on Win98.
I could also plug a floppy drive into my XP desktop. It has the
connector for a floppy on the motherboard. Come to think of it, that
tower has space to install a floppy drive. I should just put one in
there permanently.
I can see one problem though. That tower dont have the mini-molex plug
that the floppy drive needs. Looks like another trip to ebay is needed.
(What is the correct name for that plug adaptor?)
Actually I think I did get a usable download, at least the zipfile
opens, but after I open it, I had no clue what to do with the .EXE
inside of it.
I cant run a CD drive on the computer I intend to use to clone the hard >drives. I need both IDE connectors for drives. There wont be one
available for a CD drive.
I'm sure one I get this in the mail, I will figure it out from the
manual included with it.
How is that possible ?
You'd need a pretty new power supply, to not have the floppy connector.
Or maybe a very old one.
"Molex 4-pin LP4 & Floppy Drive 4-pin SP4 Female Adapter Converter Y Cable"
The closest I could find to a classical one, is a Molex that goes
to two SP4 connectors.
https://www.amazon.com/C2G-Cables-Go-Internal-Multi-Color/dp/B0002J1KW6
Normally, you'd buy a Molex that goes to another Molex plus a Floppy SP4.
And I'm not seeing any of those for sale.
*******
This site has pictures of power connectors if you need them.
Might take a while to load on your dialup connection.
http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html
*******
I would check to make sure one of the wire looms isn't all wound
up in an elastic and hiding the floppy power connection.
Paul
If you have two connectors, you can almost certainly have four (E)IDE >drives: each IDE cable can support two devices, either master and slave >(determined by the position - usually absence or presence - of a link on
the drives themselves), or cable select. (Master/slave is the commonest
in my experience.)
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 06:37:23 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
How is that possible ?
You'd need a pretty new power supply, to not have the floppy connector.
Or maybe a very old one.
"Molex 4-pin LP4 & Floppy Drive 4-pin SP4 Female Adapter Converter Y Cable" >>
The closest I could find to a classical one, is a Molex that goes
to two SP4 connectors.
https://www.amazon.com/C2G-Cables-Go-Internal-Multi-Color/dp/B0002J1KW6
Normally, you'd buy a Molex that goes to another Molex plus a Floppy SP4.
And I'm not seeing any of those for sale.
*******
This site has pictures of power connectors if you need them.
Might take a while to load on your dialup connection.
http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html
*******
I would check to make sure one of the wire looms isn't all wound
up in an elastic and hiding the floppy power connection.
Paul
You're right. It was well hidden. That computer came with one of those
mini card readers. For SD, MMC, whatever they are all called....
I think that thing was put where a floppy drive would go. That thing had
4 slots, and was using 4 drive letters, sandwiched in between hard
drives and CD. That annoyed the shit out of me, so I unplugged it almost
as soon as I bought the computer. (The only mini cards I use are SD from
my camera, and I have a USB adaptor for that).
Anyhow, the power plug for a floppy drive was crammed above that stupid
mini card thing. Since I dont plan ot ever use that thing, I may remove
it and put my floppy drive in that slot.
By the way, it's been a long time since I installed a floppy drive. The
cable is straight on one end and has a set of twisted wires on the other
end. Am I correct that the twisted end goes to the floppy drive? (Or
will it work either way)?
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 12:42:19 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" ><G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
If you have two connectors, you can almost certainly have four (E)IDE >>drives: each IDE cable can support two devices, either master and slave >>(determined by the position - usually absence or presence - of a link on >>the drives themselves), or cable select. (Master/slave is the commonest
in my experience.)
There is only one IDE connector on the motherbd. One of them goes to the
CD drive. There are two SATA connectors too. Those go to the hard
drives. But I plan to clone two IDE drives by unplugging the SATA
drives. Thats why I cant plug in two IDE drives and a CD drive.
Ah, when you said "I need both those connectors ..." I thought you meant
on the board. I now see you mean on the (single) cable.
Yes, I can get your inclination to use a floppy - and if that works,
fine. I think you can put Macrium or Acronis on bootable USB sticks, but >that motherboard probably won't boot from USB. (You can also get SATA
CD/DVD drives - in fact, I think they're commonest these days.) Or >temporarily connect both EIDE hard drives to another computer, and use
that to do the cloning.
Hang on though: You say "There is only one IDE connector on the
motherbd. One of them goes to the CD drive." One of them? You have the
CD drive and the HD connected to the motherboard - are they both on the
same cable, going to one connector on the mobo? If they're each
connected to a separate connector on the mobo, you can connect up to
four EIDE objects - you just need cables with three connectors on them.
(One for the mobo, two for the drives.)
--
The cable has a red mark indicating pin 1.
The drive casing has a triangle marking pin 1 stamped in the metal.
You need a strong work light, and your wits about you, not to miss
these "hints printed in metal". It was the same thing when I
got my first optical drive to install, I entirely missed the
beautiful legend printed in the metal, which identified
everything.
Some drive cables have the alignment tab, but it's
quite common for installers to get it wrong, and
Both the cable and drive and mothervboard have an alignment tab. They
can only be plugged in one way. However, I could put the twisted end on
the MB side. But now I know it belongs on the drive end. Thanks.
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 20:22:04 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" ><G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
[]Hang on though: You say "There is only one IDE connector on the
motherbd. One of them goes to the CD drive." One of them? You have the
I thought I wasclear when I said THERE IS ONLY ONE IDE CONNECTOR ON THE >MOTHERBOARD. That means I can use two devices.
Yes, this computer will boot from a USB stick. I have a few sticks with
older versions of Linux that I occasionally boot up.
BUt I'll stick with Norton Ghost and a floppy. Easiest solution, and
Acronis is said to be very complicated. I prefer simple!!!
Both the cable and drive and mothervboard have an alignment tab. TheyThe twist determines which is drive A: and which drive B:; I don't
can only be plugged in one way. However, I could put the twisted end on
the MB side. But now I know it belongs on the drive end. Thanks.
remember for sure which connector is A and which B.
In message <tcgi0d91pgqttrjgtjm51h3h7pec77us53@4ax.com>,
james@nospam.com writes:
[]
Both the cable and drive and mothervboard have an alignment tab. TheyThe twist determines which is drive A: and which drive B:; I don't
can only be plugged in one way. However, I could put the twisted end on
the MB side. But now I know it belongs on the drive end. Thanks.
remember for sure which connector is A and which B.
james@nospam.com, while using improper usenet message composition style
by unnecessarily full-quoting, wrote:
I just bought Norton Ghost 2003 on ebay for $10 shipped.
Turns out that wasn't necessary. See my previous post.
Back in the 90s, a person could get any commercial software on
the web, but that is no longer the case.
Um, yes, that is still pretty much the case.
I couldn't imagine trying to do it, though, on a dial-up connection.
Back in the late 1980's and early 1990's I had a dial-up connection to a university server (Silicon Graphics machine). From there I would do FTP
to wustl and other servers to get software.
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 02:22:18 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
I compared the two files, and there is a weirdness at
around every ~32KB of data in the ZIP. Almost as if
maybe the file was being re-encoded on the fly
by the NGINX server.
Maybe you need to run PKZIPFIX on it.
That has always been handy. None of the Windows ZIP programs have that
sort of thing.....
I never connect at 56k. If I get 44K I'm lucky. Most of the time I get
around 30K. There is about one mile of old copper cable coming to my
house from the pedestal along the road, and the wire coming ot the
pedestal is probably also real old. When you live in a rural area, these
old wires were only meant to be used for voice telephone.
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 20:22:04 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
Ah, when you said "I need both those connectors ..." I thought you meant
on the board. I now see you mean on the (single) cable.
Yes, I can get your inclination to use a floppy - and if that works,
fine. I think you can put Macrium or Acronis on bootable USB sticks, but
that motherboard probably won't boot from USB. (You can also get SATA
CD/DVD drives - in fact, I think they're commonest these days.) Or
temporarily connect both EIDE hard drives to another computer, and use
that to do the cloning.
Hang on though: You say "There is only one IDE connector on the
motherbd. One of them goes to the CD drive." One of them? You have the
CD drive and the HD connected to the motherboard - are they both on the
same cable, going to one connector on the mobo? If they're each
connected to a separate connector on the mobo, you can connect up to
four EIDE objects - you just need cables with three connectors on them.
(One for the mobo, two for the drives.)
--
I thought I wasclear when I said THERE IS ONLY ONE IDE CONNECTOR ON > THE MOTHERBOARD. That means I can use two devices.
Yes, this computer will boot from a USB stick. I have a few sticks with
older versions of Linux that I occasionally boot up.
But I'll stick with Norton Ghost and a floppy. Easiest solution, and
Acronis is said to be very complicated. I prefer simple!!!
james@nospam.com wrote:
...
I never connect at 56k. If I get 44K I'm lucky. Most of the time I get
around 30K. There is about one mile of old copper cable coming to my
house from the pedestal along the road, and the wire coming ot the
pedestal is probably also real old. When you live in a rural area, these
old wires were only meant to be used for voice telephone.
Better than me. Mine were awful at home and college 30 minuts away. Connections were mostly at 26400. Lucky at 31200. It didn't matter where
and how good my modems were. Average was about 3kBs for compressed datas
in downloads.
Also, I couldn't get DSL. I could get IDSL, but that was like 144 Kbs
that costed over $100 IIRC back in the 2000s. And then Excite@Home with Adelphia came among. It sucked too until it became DOCSIS complaint and
had a complete digital makeover. :/
Some Guy <Some@guy.c0m> wrote:[]
Back in the late 1980's and early 1990's I had a dial-up connection to a
university server (Silicon Graphics machine). From there I would do FTP
to wustl and other servers to get software.
Heh. I used to do those too. My favorite was ftp.cdrom.com for
sharewares, playable demos, and DOOM addons!
The only floppy cable I have is a single. Only one connector. (not
including the MOBO end). But I do remember the double ones on some of my
real old computers. I may even have another one in one of the old
computers in the garage tbat I still have. But I see no reason for two
floppy drives these days. Back in the DOS days I had a 3.5 and 5.25
drive on the same computer. I know I'll never use a 5.25 drive again.
Anyhow, this cable is for a single floppy drive and has that twist.
I kind of wonder if I used a cable without a twist, would the ONLY drive >become B: instead of A:?
One thing about floppy drives, they seem to go bad even if they are not
used. I think it's all because of dust getting in them. Computers are
notorious for sucking in dust. Every year I have to vacuum out mine. And
every 3 years or so I open the power supply and blow it out with an air >compressor, cuz them fans really get filthy.
I think they should make air filters foir them!
But you know why that is, right ?
Your download max was 33.6, not 56K.
A 56K modem has a fallback to 33.6K protocol, if the modem pool at the
other end indicates it doesn't support 56K.
The people who run modem pools, can't always afford to upgrade them.
There are standards like V.34, V90, and V92. I didn't get
V92 here - AFAIK, things stopped here at V90.
The deployment of ISDN was delayed enough, it overlapped[]
with ADSL, and thus ISDN couldn't have any momentum.
The people in Europe seemed to have access to ISDN,
and I vaguely remember some "Fritz modem" being used
for the ISDN end.
Paul
james@nospam.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 02:22:18 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
I compared the two files, and there is a weirdness at
around every ~32KB of data in the ZIP. Almost as if
maybe the file was being re-encoded on the fly
by the NGINX server.
Maybe you need to run PKZIPFIX on it.
That has always been handy. None of the Windows ZIP programs have that
sort of thing.....
I miss the old days like PKWARE. V2.04g was the last version IIRC for DOS! :(
I still use zip and unzip commands in Linux, UNIX, etc. though. ;)
Better than me. Mine were awful at home and college 30 minuts away. >Connections were mostly at 26400. Lucky at 31200. It didn't matter where
and how good my modems were. Average was about 3kBs for compressed datas
in downloads.
Also, I couldn't get DSL. I could get IDSL, but that was like 144 Kbs
that costed over $100 IIRC back in the 2000s. And then Excite@Home with >Adelphia came among. It sucked too until it became DOCSIS complaint and
had a complete digital makeover. :/
--
In message <oud7pg$da8$1@dont-email.me>, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
[]
But you know why that is, right ?
Your download max was 33.6, not 56K.
A 56K modem has a fallback to 33.6K protocol, if the modem pool at the >other end indicates it doesn't support 56K.
It was only ever 56k for download, basically because the mainframe
computer via the telephone system effectively had direct control of the
D-A converter in the exchange and could thus generate the waveform,
whereas in the upload direction, your computer (MoDem) did not know the sampling instant of the A-D in the exchange, so had to go slow enough (oversimplifying) that waveform detection worked.
The people who run modem pools, can't always afford to upgrade them.
There are standards like V.34, V90, and V92. I didn't get
V92 here - AFAIK, things stopped here at V90.
Wasn't the difference between V90 and V92 just a firmware upgrade, not requiring hardware changes? It was all such a Long Time Ago ... (-:
Didn't FCC only allow up to 53K speed?
I remember some USR Sportster modems could get V92 firmware upgrades.
just hangs. I mostly use those old ones to boot if XP gets screwed up.
For example I saved a file with a filename that was too long. I dont
know why Windows allowed me to save it, but it did, and it kept causing >errors. XP would not allow me to delete it, rename it, or do anything.
Linux let me get rid of it.
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
In message <oud7pg$da8$1@dont-email.me>, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
writes:
[]
But you know why that is, right ?
Your download max was 33.6, not 56K.
A 56K modem has a fallback to 33.6K protocol, if the modem pool at the
other end indicates it doesn't support 56K.
It was only ever 56k for download, basically because the mainframe
computer via the telephone system effectively had direct control of the
D-A converter in the exchange and could thus generate the waveform,
whereas in the upload direction, your computer (MoDem) did not know the
sampling instant of the A-D in the exchange, so had to go slow enough
(oversimplifying) that waveform detection worked.
Didn't FCC only allow up to 53K speed?
Yes, you could get firmware, but if the modem pool doesn't
do V92, it hardly matters. I think a V92 would drop back
to V90 then V.34 and so on, all the way down to 300 baud
if you waited long enough. It's backward compatible all the
way back to the beginning of computing. If you phoned up one
of the old private BBSes, it could well end up running
at 300 or 1200.
Paul
On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:30:14 -0600, ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) wrote:
Better than me. Mine were awful at home and college 30 minuts away.
Connections were mostly at 26400. Lucky at 31200. It didn't matter where
and how good my modems were. Average was about 3kBs for compressed datas
in downloads.
Also, I couldn't get DSL. I could get IDSL, but that was like 144 Kbs
that costed over $100 IIRC back in the 2000s. And then Excite@Home with
Adelphia came among. It sucked too until it became DOCSIS complaint and
had a complete digital makeover. :/
--
My downloads are never over 3kbs. Usually closer to 2kbs. I downloaded a 1.5MB file yesterday and it took close to 1/2 hour.
I cant even get DSL. There is no cable either. All I can get is a
satellite dish, and that would cost over $100 per month. They wont just install it for internet, you have to get the whole package with TV. I
watch very little tv, so I dont need that.
As a connoisseur of dialup, I'm sure you know this
already. Initially, there were two competing standards.
The standards body tried to combine them, making V90. The
idea was, you could get a firmware upgrade, to bring your
model to V90.
X2 ___
\___ V90
K56 ___/
Well, what happened ? Instead of unification, the modem
and front end still had to match for best results. This is
why I had two modems, a Supra for K56 and a USR for X2. Then,
it depended on whether I was dialing into work, or dialing
into Freenet, as to which modem worked best. If I used the
wrong modem, the result could be the "spiral of death".
V90 with an X2 ___
V90 with a K56 ___
The spiral of death, is a kind of negotiation failure. The
initial connection might be at 46K (i.e. a bit too high),
Over a period of minutes, transmission errors would pile up,
and the protocol would seek to adjust the properties to
compensate. The effective transmission rate was no longer
46K. It might take around 10 to 15 minutes, but the rate
would drop and drop, until there wasn't enough bandwidth to
do keep-alive on PPP. And the modem pool would hang up.
The protocol did not appear to have any ability to
"open the line up again", if line quality improved. It
would just go down and down, until the line dropped.
Now, the standard the Supra uses, at some point I no longer
had any of those to dial into. So the Supra collected dust.
I lost my last dialup a couple years ago (Freenet wants at
least $25 a year to keep an account on dialup), and I finally
put the USR away as well. I used to use FreeNet, to check the
ADSL status page at my ISP, when my ADSL wasn't working. It
was better to do that, than to phone the support number and
listen to Abba for 40 minutes until someone would pick up and
tell me how broken things were.
You *can* improve your lot in life to 5KB/sec. But
the last few times I used dialup, it was a living hell.
As even the most innocent web page, is megabytes of crap.
Everything ends up taking an hour to do. Tuning up the
dialup modem, won't make it heroic.
I have an old Lenovo t-43 laptop running XP. It has a 40gb hard drive,
which is too small for my needs. With the OS, and the programs I use,
plus some videos and music for when I am on the road, I end up with 28gb filled, and 12gb available. It's not uncommon for me to go to a WIFI and download 10gb of programs. videos and so on. Then I get a "drive full" message, which means it's not entirely full, but very close.
For awhile I was carrying around a 64gb flash drive, but that thing is
always getting misplaced in the car. I decided to go to ebay and find an
80gb hard drive. I found a 160gb drive for $3 more than an 89gb, so I
bought the 160gb.
I dont have the drive yet, but when I get it, I want to clone the
current drive to the new one, so I dont have to reinstall everything.
But how do I do this?
Laptops dont have space for a second HDD. (at least mine dont).
I have one of those cable kits that is for hooking any 3.5" IDE or SATA
drive to a USB port. It dont have the plug for these 2.5" drives, so I
assume I will have to buy one made for these 2.5" laptop drives.
(Do they sell adaptor kits for these laptop drives?)
(Are they labeled for these kind of drives)?
Once I buy the adaptor, I think all I have to do is run Partition Magic
8, (which I have) to clone the drive.
But once it's cloned, will it boot, or do I need to do something to make
it bootable?
But then I was wondering if it's possible to clone the drive to a 64gb
flash drive, then clone it from the flash drive to the new HDD? The only problem there, is that this computer can not be booted from a USB drive,
so I will probably have to borrow a newer laptop to clone from the USB
to the new HDD.
Will that even work?
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