• Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop

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    Hi,

    I have an old IBM ThinkPad T23 laptop that I use every day.
    I normally keep it on for hours. Therefore I use the AC adapter
    all the time. It has WinXP Home Edition SP2.

    Unfortunately, if I click on the "Turn Off Computer" at "Start"
    button, the pop-up window allows me only 3 of 4 options:

    "Stand By" is NOT enabled!!!

    "Turn Off"

    "Restart"

    "Cancel"

    Note: My Gateway desktop computer's "Stand By" is enabled (same WinXP version).

    How can I enable "Stand By" on my ThinkPad T23?

    Thank You in advance, John


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    From: Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
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    Subject: Re: Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop
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    jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
    Hi,

    I have an old IBM ThinkPad T23 laptop that I use every day.
    I normally keep it on for hours. Therefore I use the AC adapter
    all the time. It has WinXP Home Edition SP2.

    Unfortunately, if I click on the "Turn Off Computer" at "Start" button, the pop-up window allows me only 3 of 4 options:

    "Stand By" is NOT enabled!!!

    "Turn Off"

    "Restart"

    "Cancel"

    Note: My Gateway desktop computer's "Stand By" is enabled (same WinXP version).

    How can I enable "Stand By" on my ThinkPad T23?

    Thank You in advance, John

    You might need to use dumppo.exe and do an override.

    Stuff like this can happen, if you have a BIOS with
    ACPI settings.

    S1 only <--- screws up Windows, needs dumppo.exe to repair
    S1&S3 <--- preferred, allows sleep

    There might also be an ACPI version setting (of all things).
    Make sure the ACPI version is set to the highest value listed,
    for best compatibility with your OS.

    (Dumppo, doing an override to restore Sleep)

    http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?p=1825058&postcount=31

    This tool doesn't work in Windows 10. It's only for older OSes,
    if at all. It's hard to say how many more years this link is
    going to work. The program is only 12KB or so, it's tiny,
    and should have been put on the OS installer disc.

    ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/products/Oemtest/v1.1/WOSTest/Tools/Acpi/dumppo.exe

    Here's a scan of dumppo.exe from the FTp site.

    https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/f05702224c6d6be2a2d5753ea9bf0ff50e3afd003addc 1deb88c858664190a2a/detection

    And an alternative download location.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20050308214646/http://www.bellamyjc.net/download/dum ppo.exe

    The Bellamy copy is clean, even if it appears to be
    a different version of the previously available Microsoft FTP copy.

    https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/0716c1d88c219fce95c3a1114aae24700fbffaeab5265 3c4c1c2ae8484835877/details

    DUMPPO.EXE admin /ac minsleep=s3

    Use the "dumppo admin" command first, to review whether
    an override is even necessary. As it could be that
    something else is broken (hardware-wise).

    Paul
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    Subject: Re: Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop
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    In message <ouigqd$aqg$1@dont-email.me>, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
    writes:
    []
    if at all. It's hard to say how many more years this link is
    going to work. The program is only 12KB or so, it's tiny,
    and should have been put on the OS installer disc.

    ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/products/Oemtest/v1.1/WOSTest/Tools/Acpi/dumppo.exe

    It timed out three times for me. (Two different browsers.)
    []
    And an alternative download location.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20050308214646/http://www.bellamyjc.net/downl >oad/dumppo.exe

    That one worked, thanks.
    []
    DUMPPO.EXE admin /ac minsleep=s3

    Use the "dumppo admin" command first, to review whether

    Takes a few seconds, i. e. is not "instant".

    an override is even necessary. As it could be that
    something else is broken (hardware-wise).

    Paul
    John
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    On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 01:30:06 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

    In message <ouigqd$aqg$1@dont-email.me>, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> >writes:
    []
    if at all. It's hard to say how many more years this link is
    going to work. The program is only 12KB or so, it's tiny,
    and should have been put on the OS installer disc.
    ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/products/Oemtest/v1.1/WOSTest/Tools/Acpi/dumppo.exe

    It timed out three times for me. (Two different browsers.)
    []
    And an alternative download location.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20050308214646/http://www.bellamyjc.net/downl >>oad/dumppo.exe

    That one worked, thanks.
    []
    DUMPPO.EXE admin /ac minsleep=s3

    Use the "dumppo admin" command first, to review whether

    Takes a few seconds, i. e. is not "instant".

    an override is even necessary. As it could be that
    something else is broken (hardware-wise).

    Paul
    John

    Hi,

    I downloaded dumppo.exe, but it did NOT "work" using the command: via CMD.EXE (Command Prompt) :
    "dumppo admin /ac minsleep=s3". I tried other commands too.

    Any other "Standby" tools or technique for WinXP?

    Thank You in advance, John




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    Subject: Re: Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop
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    jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 01:30:06 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

    In message <ouigqd$aqg$1@dont-email.me>, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
    writes:
    []
    if at all. It's hard to say how many more years this link is
    going to work. The program is only 12KB or so, it's tiny,
    and should have been put on the OS installer disc.

    ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/products/Oemtest/v1.1/WOSTest/Tools/Acpi/dumppo.exe >> It timed out three times for me. (Two different browsers.)
    []
    And an alternative download location.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20050308214646/http://www.bellamyjc.net/downl >>> oad/dumppo.exe
    That one worked, thanks.
    []
    DUMPPO.EXE admin /ac minsleep=s3

    Use the "dumppo admin" command first, to review whether
    Takes a few seconds, i. e. is not "instant".

    an override is even necessary. As it could be that
    something else is broken (hardware-wise).

    Paul
    John

    Hi,

    I downloaded dumppo.exe, but it did NOT "work" using the command: via CMD.EXE (Command Prompt) :
    "dumppo admin /ac minsleep=s3". I tried other commands too.

    Any other "Standby" tools or technique for WinXP?

    Thank You in advance, John

    Not unless you can make the ftp.microsoft.com
    FTP server work again.

    Did "dumppo admin" work ? So you could review the
    current capabilities ?

    When I type

    dumppo

    it answers

    dumppo: cap ps bs admin ac dc

    See if the bellamy version gives those options.

    Dumppo is *the* tool for ACPI problems, mainly because
    there is no other tool...

    Paul
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    <SNIP>
    I downloaded dumppo.exe, but it did NOT "work" using the command: via
    CMD.EXE (Command Prompt) :
    "dumppo admin /ac minsleep=s3". I tried other commands too.

    Any other "Standby" tools or technique for WinXP?

    Thank You in advance, John

    Not unless you can make the ftp.microsoft.com
    FTP server work again.

    Did "dumppo admin" work ? So you could review the
    current capabilities ?

    When I type

    dumppo

    it answers

    dumppo: cap ps bs admin ac dc

    See if the bellamy version gives those options.

    Dumppo is *the* tool for ACPI problems, mainly because
    there is no other tool...

    Paul

    Hi Paul,

    The "answer" is exactly as you described above, "dumppo: cap ps bs...."

    The file size is 13,584.

    Maybe this has nothing to do with it, but I also checked BIOS settings (at bootup) incase there was something there that is preventing "Standby",
    but the closest setting I found was a "Suspend" timer which was "Enabled"
    after 20 minutes (adjustable).

    John








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    Subject: Re: Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop
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    jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
    <SNIP>
    I downloaded dumppo.exe, but it did NOT "work" using the command: via >>> CMD.EXE (Command Prompt) :
    "dumppo admin /ac minsleep=s3". I tried other commands too.

    Any other "Standby" tools or technique for WinXP?

    Thank You in advance, John
    Not unless you can make the ftp.microsoft.com
    FTP server work again.

    Did "dumppo admin" work ? So you could review the
    current capabilities ?

    When I type

    dumppo

    it answers

    dumppo: cap ps bs admin ac dc

    See if the bellamy version gives those options.

    Dumppo is *the* tool for ACPI problems, mainly because
    there is no other tool...

    Paul

    Hi Paul,

    The "answer" is exactly as you described above, "dumppo: cap ps bs...."

    The file size is 13,584.

    Maybe this has nothing to do with it, but I also checked BIOS settings (at bootup) incase there was something there that is preventing "Standby", but the closest setting I found was a "Suspend" timer which was "Enabled" after 20 minutes (adjustable).

    John

    The "dumppo" tool is supposed to have two purposes.

    1) List the currently supported ACPI states
    2) Issue an override, in an attempt to re-enable missing
    state support, when any associated hardware mis-configurations
    have been corrected.

    It doesn't help to do an override, if the underlying problem
    is still present.

    Say, for example, in WinXP, you look at Device Manager,
    look under Computer, and it doesn't say "ACPI Multiprocessor PC".
    When the word ACPI is missing, it means ACPI isn't present
    at all. You would probably lose both Sleep and Hibernate.
    The OS might then revert to APM (the older standard), and
    you would see

    "It is safe to turn off this computer"

    in a 640x480 window just after shutdown. The computer
    doesn't even know about the "power button" and cannot
    "press" it's own power button in that case. What's under
    computer is called the HAL (Hardware Abstration Layer),
    and certain HAL transitions are hard to fix. Getting
    ACPI back is a re-install (repair install).

    When the BIOS supports ACPI, the BIOS passes ACPI
    tables to the OS, the OS installer can install an
    ACPI subsystem. The word "ACPI" will be present for
    the entry in Computer.

    In that subsystem, are standby, sleep, hibernate.
    Sometimes, one of the "smaller" BIOS settings, disables
    sleep support. The OS takes that to heart, and mimics
    what it sees. It *removes* sleep support. And, it's
    in no rush to put it back either. It's a trap door
    behavior. For example, your CMOS battery could die one
    day, and an errant setting could "tip over" your
    Sleep in WinXP, requiring dumppo.

    The "dumppo" program is like a hint. It's saying to
    the OS "why don't you try sleep again". If the setting
    takes and the OS doesn't disable sleep again, then the
    dumppo listing capability should then show that sleep
    support is back.

    So the first step, is to try to get dumppo to list
    the currently supported states.

    https://s7.postimg.org/f1tp6fyaz/dumppo.gif

    In the more detailed output, I have

    S1 S3 S4 S5

    There is no S2.

    S1 = Standby (monitor goes blank)
    S3 = Sleep
    S4 = Hibernate
    S5 = Soft Off

    HTH,
    Paul
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    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
    Subject: Re: Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop
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    <SNIP>
    The "dumppo" tool is supposed to have two purposes.

    1) List the currently supported ACPI states
    2) Issue an override, in an attempt to re-enable missing
    state support, when any associated hardware mis-configurations
    have been corrected.

    It doesn't help to do an override, if the underlying problem
    is still present.

    Say, for example, in WinXP, you look at Device Manager,
    look under Computer, and it doesn't say "ACPI Multiprocessor PC".

    Hi Paul,

    It DOES show "ACPI....." under "Computer" via "Device Manager".

    BTW, I forgot to mention that the FN & F4/Sleep keys combo does
    NOT work with WinXP, but DOES (put to "sleep") with Win98.

    Here is the results of using command, "dumppo admin cap":

    Admin policy overrides
    Min sleep state......: S3
    Max sleep state......: S4 - hibernate
    Min video timeout....: 0
    Max video timeout....: -1
    Min spindown timeout.: 0
    Max spindown timeout.: -1
    power capabilities
    System power capabilities
    Power Button Present....: TRUE
    Sleep Button Present....: TRUE
    Lid Present.............: TRUE
    System states supported.: S5
    Hiber file reserved.....: FALSE
    Thermal control.........: TRUE
    CPU Throttle control....: TRUE
    Processor min throttle..: 64
    Processor trottle scale.: 100 (1%)
    Some disk will spindown.: TRUE
    System batteries present: TRUE
    System batteries scale..: (G:0 C:0) (G:0 C:0) (G:0 C:0)
    Ac on line wake ability.: Unspecified
    Lid wake ability........: Unspecified
    RTC wake ability........: S4 - hibernate
    Min device wake.........: Unspecified
    Default low latency wake: Unspecified

    LEGACY DRIVER DETECTED
    VgaSave

    Again, Thanks, John

    When the word ACPI is missing, it means ACPI isn't present
    at all. You would probably lose both Sleep and Hibernate.
    The OS might then revert to APM (the older standard), and
    you would see

    "It is safe to turn off this computer"

    in a 640x480 window just after shutdown. The computer
    doesn't even know about the "power button" and cannot
    "press" it's own power button in that case. What's under
    computer is called the HAL (Hardware Abstration Layer),
    and certain HAL transitions are hard to fix. Getting
    ACPI back is a re-install (repair install).

    When the BIOS supports ACPI, the BIOS passes ACPI
    tables to the OS, the OS installer can install an
    ACPI subsystem. The word "ACPI" will be present for
    the entry in Computer.

    In that subsystem, are standby, sleep, hibernate.
    Sometimes, one of the "smaller" BIOS settings, disables
    sleep support. The OS takes that to heart, and mimics
    what it sees. It *removes* sleep support. And, it's
    in no rush to put it back either. It's a trap door
    behavior. For example, your CMOS battery could die one
    day, and an errant setting could "tip over" your
    Sleep in WinXP, requiring dumppo.

    The "dumppo" program is like a hint. It's saying to
    the OS "why don't you try sleep again". If the setting
    takes and the OS doesn't disable sleep again, then the
    dumppo listing capability should then show that sleep
    support is back.

    So the first step, is to try to get dumppo to list
    the currently supported states.

    https://s7.postimg.org/f1tp6fyaz/dumppo.gif

    In the more detailed output, I have

    S1 S3 S4 S5

    There is no S2.

    S1 = Standby (monitor goes blank)
    S3 = Sleep
    S4 = Hibernate
    S5 = Soft Off

    HTH,
    Paul
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
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    From: Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
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    Subject: Re: Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop
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    jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
    <SNIP>
    The "dumppo" tool is supposed to have two purposes.

    1) List the currently supported ACPI states
    2) Issue an override, in an attempt to re-enable missing
    state support, when any associated hardware mis-configurations
    have been corrected.

    It doesn't help to do an override, if the underlying problem
    is still present.

    Say, for example, in WinXP, you look at Device Manager,
    look under Computer, and it doesn't say "ACPI Multiprocessor PC".

    Hi Paul,

    It DOES show "ACPI....." under "Computer" via "Device Manager".

    BTW, I forgot to mention that the FN & F4/Sleep keys combo does
    NOT work with WinXP, but DOES (put to "sleep") with Win98.

    Here is the results of using command, "dumppo admin cap":

    Admin policy overrides
    Min sleep state......: S3
    Max sleep state......: S4 - hibernate
    Min video timeout....: 0
    Max video timeout....: -1
    Min spindown timeout.: 0
    Max spindown timeout.: -1
    power capabilities
    System power capabilities
    Power Button Present....: TRUE
    Sleep Button Present....: TRUE
    Lid Present.............: TRUE
    System states supported.: S5
    Hiber file reserved.....: FALSE
    Thermal control.........: TRUE
    CPU Throttle control....: TRUE
    Processor min throttle..: 64
    Processor trottle scale.: 100 (1%)
    Some disk will spindown.: TRUE
    System batteries present: TRUE
    System batteries scale..: (G:0 C:0) (G:0 C:0) (G:0 C:0)
    Ac on line wake ability.: Unspecified
    Lid wake ability........: Unspecified
    RTC wake ability........: S4 - hibernate
    Min device wake.........: Unspecified
    Default low latency wake: Unspecified

    LEGACY DRIVER DETECTED
    VgaSave

    Again, Thanks, John

    I think that means something related to video, is
    blocking the states. The system states supported is in
    pretty poor shape, as it's missing S3 and S4.

    A couple Googles show people are trying to re-install
    their video driver. You might take a look in Device
    Manager (devmgmt.msc) first, and see whether everything
    is clean and there are no yellow marks and so on.

    There are two kinds of video drivers. The VESA driver is
    for when the OS has no proprietary video card driver
    installed. The ATI/Nvidia/Intel driver is the real,
    full-featured driver, which enables hardware acceleration.
    For the display adapter listed in Device Manager, you
    want to see whether the text string is "branded" or
    not, with a proprietary string.

    It's possible, once you resolve the driver issue, that
    you won't even need dumppo. But time will tell.

    I think you're the first person I've run into, with
    things blocked on a driver. The possibility was mentioned
    on the Bellamy site, but I'd never seen it "in the wild".

    *******

    I learned a valuable lesson about computer hygiene and
    video cards, a long time ago. I used to rip out and install
    different video cards, with hardly a care in the world. At
    one point, the computer had ATI, NVidia, and Matrox drivers
    of some description. I never bothered to remove the
    drivers.

    The proper way to handle video is:

    1) Go to Add/Remove and uninstall the current video driver.
    2) Shut down, power off (unplug), install new video card.
    3) System comes up and uses VESA driver initially.
    That Microsoft VESA driver ensures you can see the screen.
    It's basically just making a dumb frame buffer.
    4) User then installs the proper driver for the new
    brand of video card. Accelerated video returns to the
    system.

    If you do it that way, there are fewer chances of
    side effects.

    I got my OS in question, in such bad shape, I could
    no longer get DMA/DIME working and games weren't
    accelerated. I had to re-install, having learned
    that I should be more careful in future. No amount
    of "driver cleaners" would restore DMA/DIME.

    Obviously, you can have two different brands of
    video cards in a computer at the same time. There are
    likely to be some scenarios that are hard to resolve
    (like one driver that has "taken" to two different
    cards, when you really want some "newer" driver to
    only be used for one of the cards). I don't know
    all the answers to such complicated setups. I
    did run two FX5200 AGP cards for a test once, and
    that was enough "fun" with dual cards right there.
    The cards would switch roles (who drive left monitor
    and who drives right monitor), while the system
    was running :-) I took that apart after
    a couple days and returned to a single video card.

    Paul
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    From: jaugustine@verizon.net
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
    Subject: Re: Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop
    Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 07:32:44 -0500
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    <SNIP>
    I think that means something related to video, is
    blocking the states. The system states supported is in
    pretty poor shape, as it's missing S3 and S4.

    A couple Googles show people are trying to re-install
    their video driver. You might take a look in Device
    Manager (devmgmt.msc) first, and see whether everything
    is clean and there are no yellow marks and so on.

    Hi Paul,

    There is a yellow (Device Manager) for "Other devices", "Video Controller". The "Device Status": "The drivers for this device are not installed (Code 28). This T23 laptop was given to me years ago. I will see if I have the driver for this and give that a try.

    I will let you (et al) know the results after (if) I find the video driver.

    Thank You again, John


    There are two kinds of video drivers. The VESA driver is
    for when the OS has no proprietary video card driver
    installed. The ATI/Nvidia/Intel driver is the real,
    full-featured driver, which enables hardware acceleration.
    For the display adapter listed in Device Manager, you
    want to see whether the text string is "branded" or
    not, with a proprietary string.

    It's possible, once you resolve the driver issue, that
    you won't even need dumppo. But time will tell.

    I think you're the first person I've run into, with
    things blocked on a driver. The possibility was mentioned
    on the Bellamy site, but I'd never seen it "in the wild".

    *******

    I learned a valuable lesson about computer hygiene and
    video cards, a long time ago. I used to rip out and install
    different video cards, with hardly a care in the world. At
    one point, the computer had ATI, NVidia, and Matrox drivers
    of some description. I never bothered to remove the
    drivers.

    The proper way to handle video is:

    1) Go to Add/Remove and uninstall the current video driver.
    2) Shut down, power off (unplug), install new video card.
    3) System comes up and uses VESA driver initially.
    That Microsoft VESA driver ensures you can see the screen.
    It's basically just making a dumb frame buffer.
    4) User then installs the proper driver for the new
    brand of video card. Accelerated video returns to the
    system.

    If you do it that way, there are fewer chances of
    side effects.

    I got my OS in question, in such bad shape, I could
    no longer get DMA/DIME working and games weren't
    accelerated. I had to re-install, having learned
    that I should be more careful in future. No amount
    of "driver cleaners" would restore DMA/DIME.

    Obviously, you can have two different brands of
    video cards in a computer at the same time. There are
    likely to be some scenarios that are hard to resolve
    (like one driver that has "taken" to two different
    cards, when you really want some "newer" driver to
    only be used for one of the cards). I don't know
    all the answers to such complicated setups. I
    did run two FX5200 AGP cards for a test once, and
    that was enough "fun" with dual cards right there.
    The cards would switch roles (who drive left monitor
    and who drives right monitor), while the system
    was running :-) I took that apart after
    a couple days and returned to a single video card.

    Paul
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    From: jaugustine@verizon.net
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
    Subject: Re: Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop
    Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:22:51 -0500
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    <SNIP>
    I think that means something related to video, is
    blocking the states. The system states supported is in
    pretty poor shape, as it's missing S3 and S4.

    A couple Googles show people are trying to re-install
    their video driver. You might take a look in Device
    Manager (devmgmt.msc) first, and see whether everything
    is clean and there are no yellow marks and so on.

    Hi Paul,

    There is a yellow (Device Manager) for "Other devices", "Video
    Controller". The "Device Status": "The drivers for this device are not >installed (Code 28). This T23 laptop was given to me years ago. I will see >if I have the driver for this and give that a try.

    I will let you (et al) know the results after (if) I find the video
    driver.

    Hi Paul,

    UPDATE:

    I found the display driver and installed it.

    By golly, I now have "Standby" !!!

    Many Thanks for your help, John
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    From: Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
    Subject: Re: Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop
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    jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
    <SNIP>
    I think that means something related to video, is
    blocking the states. The system states supported is in
    pretty poor shape, as it's missing S3 and S4.

    A couple Googles show people are trying to re-install
    their video driver. You might take a look in Device
    Manager (devmgmt.msc) first, and see whether everything
    is clean and there are no yellow marks and so on.

    Hi Paul,

    There is a yellow (Device Manager) for "Other devices", "Video
    Controller". The "Device Status": "The drivers for this device are not
    installed (Code 28). This T23 laptop was given to me years ago. I will see
    if I have the driver for this and give that a try.

    I will let you (et al) know the results after (if) I find the video
    driver.

    Hi Paul,

    UPDATE:

    I found the display driver and installed it.

    By golly, I now have "Standby" !!!

    Many Thanks for your help, John

    See, you can fix this stuff :-)

    It just takes the right size of hammer.

    Paul
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)