• Re: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"

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    Message-ID: <669769ce-c1a1-4f17-90f0-68768fc8dab6@f4g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"
    From: Greegor <greegor47@gmail.com>
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    Microsoft's big opportunities to sell new versions of
    Windows used to accompany hardware 6x faster
    than the previous hardware.

    This entails huge costs, much greater than the
    mere cost of computers and Windows.

    Adapting or replacing old, expensive or proprietary
    software is a huge expense, as is any retraining
    caused by such changes.

    But these huge expenses were seen as
    worthwhile because of the 6x speed increase.
    Those days are over.

    The applications that pay the bills for large
    corporate users are things like order entry,
    order recall, inventory, database, telephone
    services scripts (Oracle) and word processing.

    One outfit has about 150 computer workstations
    in one room alone, plus about 30 more among
    offices and operation center. But they have
    about 25 such locations. Upgrading from XP
    would offer them no advantage whatsoever.

    Even though an operating system is crucial
    for a computer, it is nonetheless a minor fraction
    of the overall cost. If Microsoft is going to force
    that MASS of old computers to be replaced with
    no real advantage and for no real reason aside
    from the marketing needs of Microsoft, it becomes
    a bit like the tail wagging the dog.

    What does Microsoft get per new OEM computer
    with Win8? Maybe $30? Yet they expect to
    force old systems to be scrapped and new computers
    which provide no actual advantage to be purchased
    at about $700 per system?? Just to fulfill Microsoft's
    MARKETING NEEDS??

    To force corporate customer service centers to
    landfill/scrap all of those WinXP-Pro computers
    by cutting off revised SECURITY UPDATES
    is blatantly a MARKETING PLOY by Microsoft.

    And not a very nice one.

    Cutesy tiles instead of icons? Big deal.

    How about that Android, eh?
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
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  • From keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:14:17 2019
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    From: knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net>
    Newsgroups: alt.windows-xp,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment,mi crosoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Re: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"
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    On 12/17/2012 4:49 AM, Greegor wrote:
    Microsoft's big opportunities to sell new versions of
    Windows used to accompany hardware 6x faster
    than the previous hardware.

    This entails huge costs, much greater than the
    mere cost of computers and Windows.

    Adapting or replacing old, expensive or proprietary
    software is a huge expense, as is any retraining
    caused by such changes.

    But these huge expenses were seen as
    worthwhile because of the 6x speed increase.
    Those days are over.

    The applications that pay the bills for large
    corporate users are things like order entry,
    order recall, inventory, database, telephone
    services scripts (Oracle) and word processing.

    One outfit has about 150 computer workstations
    in one room alone, plus about 30 more among
    offices and operation center. But they have
    about 25 such locations. Upgrading from XP
    would offer them no advantage whatsoever.

    Even though an operating system is crucial
    for a computer, it is nonetheless a minor fraction
    of the overall cost. If Microsoft is going to force
    that MASS of old computers to be replaced with
    no real advantage and for no real reason aside
    from the marketing needs of Microsoft, it becomes
    a bit like the tail wagging the dog.

    What does Microsoft get per new OEM computer
    with Win8? Maybe $30? Yet they expect to
    force old systems to be scrapped and new computers
    which provide no actual advantage to be purchased
    at about $700 per system?? Just to fulfill Microsoft's
    MARKETING NEEDS??

    To force corporate customer service centers to
    landfill/scrap all of those WinXP-Pro computers
    by cutting off revised SECURITY UPDATES
    is blatantly a MARKETING PLOY by Microsoft.

    And not a very nice one.

    Cutesy tiles instead of icons? Big deal.

    How about that Android, eh?

    I don't have Windows 8, but I am in a situation where my computers are
    getting old and may need to be replaced. In my investigations I have
    been told that the that horrible new interface can be turned off and you
    can use a XP like interface.

    I sure hope this is true because I don't want to spend a large chunk of
    my time on the computer chasing my programs around the screen. It is
    bad enough having to open multiple menus and then when you find the one
    you want, have the open menus collapse and you have to start over.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
  • From kblake@kb.invalid@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:14:17 2019
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    From: "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid>
    Newsgroups: alt.windows-xp,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment,mi crosoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Re: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"
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    On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 08:11:49 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


    I don't have Windows 8, but I am in a situation where my computers are getting old and may need to be replaced. In my investigations I have
    been told that the that horrible new interface can be turned off and you
    can use a XP like interface.


    You call it a "horrible new interface." I'm not crazy about it either,
    but in my view, calling it "horrible" is a big overstatement.

    But more important, there is *no* need to turn it off. Windows 8
    has *two* interfaces; the Modern/Metro Interface (which is probably
    what you are talking about when you call it "horrible new interface")
    and the traditional Desktop Interface. That traditional
    Desktop Interface is almost identical to Windows 7's interface; the
    biggest difference is that there is no Start Orb to click to bring up
    the Start menu. But note that you can get the Start Orb back by using
    one of several third-party programs, either free or very inexpensive
    (Classic Shell at http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ and Start8 at http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/; my personal preference is
    Start8, but they are both very good). And going from one interface to
    the other is very easy; there are several ways, but simply pressing
    the Windows key is perhaps the easiest.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
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    On Dec 17, 7:11 am, knuttle <keith_nut...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    I don't have Windows 8, but I am in a situation
    where my computers are getting old and may
    need to be replaced. < snip!>

    How old?
    Are you under pressure to get faster processors?
    What type of processors do you have now?
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    knuttle wrote:

    I don't have Windows 8, but I am in a situation where my computers are getting old and may need to be replaced. In my investigations I have
    been told that the that horrible new interface can be turned off and you
    can use a XP like interface.

    I sure hope this is true because I don't want to spend a large chunk of
    my time on the computer chasing my programs around the screen. It is
    bad enough having to open multiple menus and then when you find the one
    you want, have the open menus collapse and you have to start over.

    I've read, and been told be people who I tend to believe, that Win 8 is
    *very* nice on a touch screen... and absolute crap on regular, non-touch workstations.

    --
    She faced her doom this time around like a gambler with a pat hand.
    Oblivion was bluffing. Showboating, even.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
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    On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:22:58 +0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
    <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:

    knuttle wrote:

    I don't have Windows 8, but I am in a situation where my computers are
    getting old and may need to be replaced. In my investigations I have
    been told that the that horrible new interface can be turned off and you
    can use a XP like interface.

    I sure hope this is true because I don't want to spend a large chunk of
    my time on the computer chasing my programs around the screen. It is
    bad enough having to open multiple menus and then when you find the one
    you want, have the open menus collapse and you have to start over.

    I've read, and been told be people who I tend to believe, that Win 8 is >*very* nice on a touch screen... and absolute crap on regular, non-touch >workstations.


    I wonder why they didn't just flip over to the other interface.

    (I also wonder why this is being crossposted to hell and back.)


    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
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    Windows 8 can't even play a DVD unless you buy
    a more expensive Media Center edition?? WTF?


    ROFL Look at the comments from UPGRADE purchasers!

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416562

    Microsoft Windows 8 Professional Upgrade $ 69.99

    “Tasks that use to be simple are now quite complex, such turning off
    your computer is now more multistep.

    — 11/28/2012
    -------------------------------------------------
    At least Microsoft fired the culprit
    “After looking at the various prerelease versions, I was sure
    Microsoft would come to see the error of their ways and have ...

    — Dennis 11/17/2012
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  • From kblake@kb.invalid@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:14:17 2019
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    From: "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid>
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    On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:22:58 +0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
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    knuttle wrote:

    I don't have Windows 8, but I am in a situation where my computers are getting old and may need to be replaced. In my investigations I have
    been told that the that horrible new interface can be turned off and you can use a XP like interface.

    I sure hope this is true because I don't want to spend a large chunk of
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    bad enough having to open multiple menus and then when you find the one
    you want, have the open menus collapse and you have to start over.

    I've read, and been told be people who I tend to believe, that Win 8 is *very* nice on a touch screen... and absolute crap on regular, non-touch workstations.

    Then the people who told you know very little about Windows 8, and you
    should *not* believe them. You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro
    interface, and if you don't, it's hardly distinguishable from Windows
    7, especially if you add a third-party program like Classic Shell
    (free) or Start8 ($4.99).

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    In news:mho1d8pttbketmb4d9abm1da1at6hgo0ut@4ax.com "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:

    You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you don't,
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    So, what's the "value add" from Windows 8 for people who use their PCs
    for more than children's games?

    --
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    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
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    "Bert" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in message news:XnsA12DA66586A0AVeebleFetzer@216.196.97.142...
    In news:mho1d8pttbketmb4d9abm1da1at6hgo0ut@4ax.com "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:

    You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you don't,
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    So, what's the "value add" from Windows 8 for people who use their PCs
    for more than children's games?

    --
    bert@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN

    Not much that I can see.

    It seems to start and shut down a little bit quicker (once you can find the shut down option), and I thought the on-the-fly benchmarking when copying files was kinda neat. But otherwise, meh.

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    Tim Rude
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
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    On 12/18/2012 3:39 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
    On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:22:58 +0000 (UTC), "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:

    knuttle wrote:

    I don't have Windows 8, but I am in a situation where my computers are
    getting old and may need to be replaced. In my investigations I have
    been told that the that horrible new interface can be turned off and you >>> can use a XP like interface.

    I sure hope this is true because I don't want to spend a large chunk of
    my time on the computer chasing my programs around the screen. It is
    bad enough having to open multiple menus and then when you find the one
    you want, have the open menus collapse and you have to start over.

    I've read, and been told be people who I tend to believe, that Win 8 is
    *very* nice on a touch screen... and absolute crap on regular, non-touch
    workstations.

    Then the people who told you know very little about Windows 8, and you
    should *not* believe them. You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you don't, it's hardly distinguishable from Windows
    7, especially if you add a third-party program like Classic Shell
    (free) or Start8 ($4.99).

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP


    ok, but 7 is not XP...
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    "Tim Rude" <timrude.nospam@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:kaqs3f$35f$1@dont-email.me...
    "Bert" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in message news:XnsA12DA66586A0AVeebleFetzer@216.196.97.142...
    In news:mho1d8pttbketmb4d9abm1da1at6hgo0ut@4ax.com "Ken Blake, MVP"
    <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:

    You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you don't,
    it's hardly distinguishable from Windows 7,

    So, what's the "value add" from Windows 8 for people who use their PCs
    for more than children's games?

    --
    bert@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN

    Not much that I can see.


    It seems to start and shut down a little bit quicker (once you can find
    the shut down option), and I thought the on-the-fly benchmarking when copying files was kinda neat. But otherwise, meh.

    The wasted drive space from having all of the duplicated metro cr'apps is
    a downer. And if you don't run something like Start8 to give you back a sensible desktop and start menu, it's a nightmare.

    I believe that I read that 8 does not contain a compatability mode. Not
    good. I'm still running Office Professional '95 & 97 (all legal, by the
    way). My Word and Excel work just fine in OpenOffice. Tried Access, but having difficulty. Since retiring, don't really need it anymore.

    HankG

    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
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    In news:kat9ef$iul$1@dont-email.me,
    HankG typed:
    "Tim Rude" <timrude.nospam@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:kaqs3f$35f$1@dont-email.me...
    "Bert" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in message
    news:XnsA12DA66586A0AVeebleFetzer@216.196.97.142...
    In news:mho1d8pttbketmb4d9abm1da1at6hgo0ut@4ax.com "Ken Blake, MVP"
    <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:

    You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you
    don't, it's hardly distinguishable from Windows 7,

    So, what's the "value add" from Windows 8 for people who use their
    PCs for more than children's games?

    --
    bert@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN

    Not much that I can see.


    It seems to start and shut down a little bit quicker (once you can
    find the shut down option), and I thought the on-the-fly
    benchmarking when copying files was kinda neat. But otherwise, meh.

    The wasted drive space from having all of the duplicated metro
    cr'apps is a downer. And if you don't run something like Start8 to
    give you back a sensible desktop and start menu, it's a nightmare.

    I believe that I read that 8 does not contain a compatability mode.
    Not good. I'm still running Office Professional '95 & 97 (all legal,
    by the way). My Word and Excel work just fine in OpenOffice. Tried
    Access, but having difficulty. Since retiring, don't really need it
    anymore.
    HankG

    Naw... Windows 8 *does* have compatibility mode. It lists:

    Windows 95
    Windows 98 / Windows Me
    Windows XP (Service Pack 2)
    Windows XP (Service Pack 3)
    Windows Vista
    Windows Vista (Service Pack 1)
    Windows Vista (Service Pack 2)
    Windows 7

    --
    Bill
    Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
    Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:
    You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you
    don't, it's hardly distinguishable from Windows 7,


    Would you tell us how to lock it so it defaults to the Desktop mode not
    the "Modern/Metro interface"

    Or are we going to be stuck with starting in "Modern/Metro interface",
    like we are stuck with collapsing menus from earlier Windows versions
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
  • From Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.co@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:14:17 2019
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    Newsgroups: alt.windows-xp,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment,mi crosoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Re: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"
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    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:48:10 -0500, "knuttle"
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote in article <kav4ur$7e8$1@dont-
    email.me>...

    <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:
    You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you
    don't, it's hardly distinguishable from Windows 7,


    Would you tell us how to lock it so it defaults to the Desktop mode not
    the "Modern/Metro interface"

    Or are we going to be stuck with starting in "Modern/Metro interface",
    like we are stuck with collapsing menus from earlier Windows versions

    Closest you can come is to start in TIFKAM (The Interface Formerly
    Known As Metro) and have it switch to the desktop shortly after (just a
    few seconds, depending on your system speed) and provide a start menu
    by using a start menu replacement utility like Start8, Classic Shell,
    etc.

    --
    Zaphod

    The secret of flying is to hurl yourself to the ground, and miss.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
  • From keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:14:17 2019
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    From: knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net>
    Newsgroups: alt.windows-xp,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment,mi crosoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Re: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"
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    On 12/20/2012 9:34 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:48:10 -0500, "knuttle"
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote in article <kav4ur$7e8$1@dont- email.me>...

    <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:
    You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you
    don't, it's hardly distinguishable from Windows 7,


    Would you tell us how to lock it so it defaults to the Desktop mode not
    the "Modern/Metro interface"

    Or are we going to be stuck with starting in "Modern/Metro interface",
    like we are stuck with collapsing menus from earlier Windows versions

    Closest you can come is to start in TIFKAM (The Interface Formerly
    Known As Metro) and have it switch to the desktop shortly after (just a
    few seconds, depending on your system speed) and provide a start menu
    by using a start menu replacement utility like Start8, Classic Shell,
    etc.

    I very rarely use the start menu as such. I have moved all of the icons
    from the desktop and have my photographs as wall paper.

    I have all of my active programs in the Quick launch toolbar, and other programs are located in folders that are in the Quick launch toolbar.

    The only time I go to the start menu is to shut down the computer.

    I suspect that even if I have to go through the weird interface the
    quick launch toolbar is history and there will be no way to clear the
    desk top for your own photos.

    Window X SP3, will change when I need to replace the computer, as
    nothing practical will be available.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
  • From kblake@kb.invalid@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:14:17 2019
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    From: "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid>
    Newsgroups: alt.windows-xp,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment,mi crosoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Re: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"
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    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:48:10 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


    <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:
    You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you
    don't, it's hardly distinguishable from Windows 7,


    Would you tell us how to lock it so it defaults to the Desktop mode not
    the "Modern/Metro interface"


    Download and install Start8. That's one of its options.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:08:12 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    I very rarely use the start menu as such.

    The only time I go to the start menu is to shut down the computer.

    Create a new shortcut, tell it to execute <path>\shutdown.exe /s, call
    it Shutdown, and place it on your Quick Launch bar. Create a second
    new shortcut, execute <path>\shutdown.exe /r, and call it Restart.

    Now you won't have to go near your start menu at all.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
  • From keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:14:17 2019
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    Newsgroups: alt.windows-xp,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment,mi crosoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Re: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"
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    On 12/20/2012 10:50 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:48:10 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


    <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:
    You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you
    don't, it's hardly distinguishable from Windows 7,


    Would you tell us how to lock it so it defaults to the Desktop mode not
    the "Modern/Metro interface"


    Download and install Start8. That's one of its options.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP



    Is this available on the Microsoft website?
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
  • From kblake@kb.invalid@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:14:17 2019
    Path: eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!.PO STED!not-for-mail
    From: "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid>
    Newsgroups: alt.windows-xp,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment,mi crosoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Re: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"
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    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:22:47 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 12/20/2012 10:50 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:48:10 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


    <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:
    You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you
    don't, it's hardly distinguishable from Windows 7,


    Would you tell us how to lock it so it defaults to the Desktop mode not
    the "Modern/Metro interface"


    Download and install Start8. That's one of its options.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP



    Is this available on the Microsoft website?


    No. It's a third-party program, and a very good one. It's only $4.99
    US.

    Get it at http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
  • From Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.co@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:14:19 2019
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    Newsgroups: alt.windows-xp,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment,mi crosoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Re: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"
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    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:08:12 -0500, "knuttle"
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote in article <kav9ku$5lh$1@dont-
    email.me>...

    On 12/20/2012 9:34 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:48:10 -0500, "knuttle"
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote in article <kav4ur$7e8$1@dont- email.me>...

    <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:
    You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you
    don't, it's hardly distinguishable from Windows 7,


    Would you tell us how to lock it so it defaults to the Desktop mode not
    the "Modern/Metro interface"

    Or are we going to be stuck with starting in "Modern/Metro interface",
    like we are stuck with collapsing menus from earlier Windows versions

    Closest you can come is to start in TIFKAM (The Interface Formerly
    Known As Metro) and have it switch to the desktop shortly after (just a
    few seconds, depending on your system speed) and provide a start menu
    by using a start menu replacement utility like Start8, Classic Shell,
    etc.

    I very rarely use the start menu as such. I have moved all of the icons
    from the desktop and have my photographs as wall paper.

    I have all of my active programs in the Quick launch toolbar, and other programs are located in folders that are in the Quick launch toolbar.

    The only time I go to the start menu is to shut down the computer.

    I suspect that even if I have to go through the weird interface the
    quick launch toolbar is history and there will be no way to clear the
    desk top for your own photos.


    The desktop still exists, so you can change the wallpaper to your
    photos (and even have them rotate automatically on a schedule). Also,
    you can pin any program you want to the taskbar, which should be
    similar enough to the Quick Launch toolbar to suit your needs. Start8
    or Classic Shell are probably still the easiest way to make Windows 8
    drop to the desktop automatically even if you don't want or need the
    start menu replacement they provide.

    --
    Zaphod

    "Yeah. Listen, I'm Zaphod Beeblebrox, my father was Zaphod Beeblebrox
    the Second, my grandfather Zaphod Beeblebrox the Third..."

    "What?"

    "There was an accident with a contraceptive and a time machine. Now concentrate!"
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    Newsgroups: alt.windows-xp,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment,mi crosoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Re: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"
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    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:20:45 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
    <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote in article <l3i6d8tfctcnhqahv2ragdkpigpi7drvib@4ax.com>...

    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:22:47 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 12/20/2012 10:50 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:48:10 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


    <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:
    You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you
    don't, it's hardly distinguishable from Windows 7,


    Would you tell us how to lock it so it defaults to the Desktop mode not >> the "Modern/Metro interface"


    Download and install Start8. That's one of its options.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP



    Is this available on the Microsoft website?


    No. It's a third-party program, and a very good one. It's only $4.99
    US.

    Get it at http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

    Classic Shell is a free alternative that also does this. It isn't as
    polished as Start8, but it works well from what I've seen.

    --
    Zaphod

    "So [Trillian], two heads is what does it for a girl?"
    "...Anything else [Zaphod]'s got two of?"
    - Arthur Dent
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:22:47 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 12/20/2012 10:50 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:48:10 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


    <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:
    You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you
    don't, it's hardly distinguishable from Windows 7,


    Would you tell us how to lock it so it defaults to the Desktop mode not
    the "Modern/Metro interface"


    Download and install Start8. That's one of its options.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP



    Is this available on the Microsoft website?

    You bring up a great point. With so much information available now,
    what we really need is some kind of search engine to help us locate
    what we're looking for. Someone should create something like that.
    They could give it a unique but made up name, like Google, and they
    could place it at an obvious address like www.google.com. Oh wait,
    someone already did that! Never mind.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    Why are so many people posting ways
    to turn off cutesy parts of Win 8 and
    band-aid the shortcomings to make it functional?

    It's like a whole lot of making excuses!
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    On 12/20/2012 12:52 PM, robot chicken wrote:
    You bring up a great point. With so much information available now,
    what we really need is some kind of search engine to help us locate
    what we're looking for. Someone should create something like that.
    They could give it a unique but made up name, like Google, and they
    could place it at an obvious address likewww.google.com. Oh wait,
    someone already did that! Never mind.

    You missed the sarcasm that you have to buy or search for a third party
    piece of software to make Windows 8 a usable system.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:11:31 -0800 (PST), Greegor
    <greegor47@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why are so many people posting ways
    to turn off cutesy parts of Win 8 and
    band-aid the shortcomings to make it functional?

    Someone asked, someone answered. That's how newsgroups are supposed to
    work.

    It's like a whole lot of making excuses!

    No, it's just a few people who are afraid of change, asking how to
    make a new OS look more like an old OS.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    On 12/20/2012 4:21 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:11:31 -0800 (PST), Greegor
    <greegor47@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why are so many people posting ways
    to turn off cutesy parts of Win 8 and
    band-aid the shortcomings to make it functional?

    Someone asked, someone answered. That's how newsgroups are supposed to
    work.

    It's like a whole lot of making excuses!

    No, it's just a few people who are afraid of change, asking how to
    make a new OS look more like an old OS.



    And - what it's going to cost to replace all the current software
    with new stuff that does less. At least that has been my experience
    with OS upgrades.

    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
  • From kblake@kb.invalid@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:14:19 2019
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    From: "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid>
    Newsgroups: alt.windows-xp,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment,mi crosoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Re: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"
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    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:40:50 -0500, Zaphod Beeblebrox <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:20:45 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
    <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote in article <l3i6d8tfctcnhqahv2ragdkpigpi7drvib@4ax.com>...

    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:22:47 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 12/20/2012 10:50 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:48:10 -0500, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


    <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:
    You do *not* have to use the Modern/Metro interface, and if you
    don't, it's hardly distinguishable from Windows 7,


    Would you tell us how to lock it so it defaults to the Desktop mode
    not
    the "Modern/Metro interface"


    Download and install Start8. That's one of its options.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP



    Is this available on the Microsoft website?


    No. It's a third-party program, and a very good one. It's only $4.99
    US.

    Get it at http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

    Classic Shell is a free alternative that also does this. It isn't as polished as Start8, but it works well from what I've seen.


    Classic Shell is also very good. But I prefer Start8, and since it so inexpensive, it's what I prefer to recommend.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
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    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:11:31 -0800 (PST), Greegor
    <greegor47@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why are so many people posting ways
    to turn off cutesy parts of Win 8 and
    band-aid the shortcomings to make it functional?

    It's like a whole lot of making excuses!


    I'm not interested in making excuses, for Microsoft or for anyone
    else. But I am interested in recommending ways to help people make
    effective use, of Windows 8 or anything else.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
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    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:54:30 -0600, Richard <cavelamb@earthlink.net>
    wrote:

    On 12/20/2012 4:21 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:11:31 -0800 (PST), Greegor
    <greegor47@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why are so many people posting ways
    to turn off cutesy parts of Win 8 and
    band-aid the shortcomings to make it functional?

    Someone asked, someone answered. That's how newsgroups are supposed to
    work.

    It's like a whole lot of making excuses!

    No, it's just a few people who are afraid of change, asking how to
    make a new OS look more like an old OS.



    And - what it's going to cost to replace all the current software
    with new stuff that does less. At least that has been my experience
    with OS upgrades.

    If your experience with OS upgrades is anything like mine, it won't
    cost anything. There are plenty of things I don't particularly care
    for with any OS, Windows or not, but backwards compatibility isn't an
    area where I can throw stones. MS has consistently done an amazing job
    in that respect.
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    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:50:37 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 12/20/2012 12:52 PM, robot chicken wrote:
    You bring up a great point. With so much information available now,
    what we really need is some kind of search engine to help us locate
    what we're looking for. Someone should create something like that.
    They could give it a unique but made up name, like Google, and they
    could place it at an obvious address likewww.google.com. Oh wait,
    someone already did that! Never mind.

    You missed the sarcasm that you have to buy or search for a third party >piece of software to make Windows 8 a usable system.

    Except that you don't, of course, have to do that to make it usable.

    To me, sarcasm is more effective when it has a basis in fact.
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    In message <kausmi$pmm$1@dont-email.me>, BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom>
    writes:
    In news:kat9ef$iul$1@dont-email.me,
    HankG typed:
    []
    I believe that I read that 8 does not contain a compatability mode.
    Not good. I'm still running Office Professional '95 & 97 (all legal,
    by the way). My Word and Excel work just fine in OpenOffice. Tried

    (I take it you mean your Word and Excel _files_ do. [If you have
    OpenOffice, why are you still running Office Pro '95 and '7 - or vice
    versa?])

    Access, but having difficulty. Since retiring, don't really need it
    anymore.
    HankG

    Naw... Windows 8 *does* have compatibility mode. It lists:

    Windows 95
    Windows 98 / Windows Me
    Windows XP (Service Pack 2)
    Windows XP (Service Pack 3)
    Windows Vista
    Windows Vista (Service Pack 1)
    Windows Vista (Service Pack 2)
    Windows 7

    You should know by now, Bill, that you're not allowed to defend 8 to
    those who have decided they don't like it (-:

    (No Windows 3.1, or previous? Let alone DOS [I presume it does in fact
    have command prompt, under whatever name they've chosen this time]?)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Can a blue man sing the whites?
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    In message <jtj6d89n9i8rd7ghrl5ta1ifd50t1kuedk@4ax.com>, robot chicken <rbc@rbc.net.invalid> writes:
    On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:22:47 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 12/20/2012 10:50 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
    []
    Download and install Start8. That's one of its options.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP



    Is this available on the Microsoft website?

    It does seem rather like the way privatisation has worked (in the UK) -
    you now have to pay extra (OK, in this case, or hunt for the free
    alternative) for what used to be included.

    You bring up a great point. With so much information available now,
    what we really need is some kind of search engine to help us locate
    what we're looking for. Someone should create something like that.
    They could give it a unique but made up name, like Google, and they
    could place it at an obvious address like www.google.com. Oh wait,
    someone already did that! Never mind.

    Or a system whereby like-minded users could get together to help each
    other with common problems; you could call it usenet, and group the
    threads into areas with common interests, and call them newsgroups. Oh
    wait ...
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Can a blue man sing the whites?
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    On 12/17/2012 4:49 AM, Greegor wrote:
    Microsoft's big opportunities to sell new versions of
    Windows used to accompany hardware 6x faster
    than the previous hardware.

    This entails huge costs, much greater than the
    mere cost of computers and Windows.

    Adapting or replacing old, expensive or proprietary
    software is a huge expense, as is any retraining
    caused by such changes.

    But these huge expenses were seen as
    worthwhile because of the 6x speed increase.
    Those days are over.

    The applications that pay the bills for large
    corporate users are things like order entry,
    order recall, inventory, database, telephone
    services scripts (Oracle) and word processing.

    One outfit has about 150 computer workstations
    in one room alone, plus about 30 more among
    offices and operation center. But they have
    about 25 such locations. Upgrading from XP
    would offer them no advantage whatsoever.

    Even though an operating system is crucial
    for a computer, it is nonetheless a minor fraction
    of the overall cost. If Microsoft is going to force
    that MASS of old computers to be replaced with
    no real advantage and for no real reason aside
    from the marketing needs of Microsoft, it becomes
    a bit like the tail wagging the dog.

    What does Microsoft get per new OEM computer
    with Win8? Maybe $30? Yet they expect to
    force old systems to be scrapped and new computers
    which provide no actual advantage to be purchased
    at about $700 per system?? Just to fulfill Microsoft's
    MARKETING NEEDS??

    To force corporate customer service centers to
    landfill/scrap all of those WinXP-Pro computers
    by cutting off revised SECURITY UPDATES
    is blatantly a MARKETING PLOY by Microsoft.

    And not a very nice one.

    Cutesy tiles instead of icons? Big deal.

    How about that Android, eh?

    It seems each version of Windows and MS Office has a new look and feel
    that causes many users to get lost. It is one thing to improve
    functionality, speed, and reliability, but it seems pointless to create
    new layouts and menus that result in users getting lost. MS seems to
    ignore the human interface. I'm sure the time wasted by users hunting
    through each new menu causes billions of dollars of lost productivity
    each year.

    --
    Question Quigley
    Kilkee
    County Clare, IE
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    In message <kb38pt$h2i$1@dont-email.me>, QuestionQuigley
    <doregan@verizon.net> writes:
    On 12/17/2012 4:49 AM, Greegor wrote:
    Microsoft's big opportunities to sell new versions of
    Windows used to accompany hardware 6x faster
    than the previous hardware.

    This entails huge costs, much greater than the
    mere cost of computers and Windows.

    Adapting or replacing old, expensive or proprietary
    software is a huge expense, as is any retraining
    caused by such changes.

    But these huge expenses were seen as
    worthwhile because of the 6x speed increase.
    Those days are over.

    The applications that pay the bills for large
    corporate users are things like order entry,
    order recall, inventory, database, telephone
    services scripts (Oracle) and word processing.

    One outfit has about 150 computer workstations
    in one room alone, plus about 30 more among
    offices and operation center. But they have
    about 25 such locations. Upgrading from XP
    would offer them no advantage whatsoever.

    Even though an operating system is crucial
    for a computer, it is nonetheless a minor fraction
    of the overall cost. If Microsoft is going to force
    that MASS of old computers to be replaced with
    no real advantage and for no real reason aside
    from the marketing needs of Microsoft, it becomes
    a bit like the tail wagging the dog.

    What does Microsoft get per new OEM computer
    with Win8? Maybe $30? Yet they expect to
    force old systems to be scrapped and new computers
    which provide no actual advantage to be purchased
    at about $700 per system?? Just to fulfill Microsoft's
    MARKETING NEEDS??

    To force corporate customer service centers to
    landfill/scrap all of those WinXP-Pro computers
    by cutting off revised SECURITY UPDATES
    is blatantly a MARKETING PLOY by Microsoft.

    And not a very nice one.

    Cutesy tiles instead of icons? Big deal.

    How about that Android, eh?

    It seems each version of Windows and MS Office has a new look and feel
    that causes many users to get lost. It is one thing to improve >functionality, speed, and reliability, but it seems pointless to create
    new layouts and menus that result in users getting lost. MS seems to
    ignore the human interface. I'm sure the time wasted by users hunting >through each new menu causes billions of dollars of lost productivity
    each year.

    The counter to that is that the majority (though not all) of us like
    what we know. If a new way of doing things is actually better, though unfamiliar, but they provided the option of keeping the old way, then
    the vast majority of _upgrading_ users would immediately switch to the
    old way. This would have the result that (a) the users would not benefit
    from the new way, (b) MS [and others] would in effect have to duplicate support effort, in that they'd have to keep supporting both.

    Having said that, I do think they should put _more_ effort into easing transitions. I'm not sure how it can be done, though: if you provide an
    "old way" option, then as I've said above, most upgraders would just
    activate it, and never get any benefit. (Whether there's any point in
    those people upgrading anyway is a matter for another thread!) If they provided some mechanism for the software to _gradually_ show the new
    features, (a) it'd require quite a bit more programming effort, (b)
    people might hate it just as much [remember how popular "clippy" was!]
    if not more.

    Some solution is of course always offered by third parties - "classic
    shell" for W7 (and 8), for example, and several "old menu" offerings for Office 2010.

    FWIW, I use XP here, and Office 2003 - since they do all I want. I _did_ upgrade to XP from '98SElite, though: I _have_ found it more stable
    (sorry 98Guy if you're here), and of course there's the better USB
    support. I have played with 7 for long enough - I was setting up a new
    big laptop for a very un-computerate person (she uses applications -
    mail [I put Eudora OSE], Word, and IrfanView, and that's about it - and probably has no interest in what version of Windows they operate under,
    and I/we decided that 7 provided better future-proofing for her), and I
    had it to play with for a month or two, and although I found some things
    about it irritating, I think I could soon get to live with it with no problems. At work, we moved to Office 2010 (from '03) a few months ago,
    and there I _do_ find the new ("ribbon") interface irritating: I
    genuinely have tried to give it a good go. (Also the so-called help
    therein is also irritating, being more a google-like interface to
    something online. Conversely, I think the help - and similar - in
    Windows 7 is pretty good, and certainly better than XP and previous:
    mainly because they've put some thought into considering what you might
    call things, rather than forcing you - as in earlier versions - to think
    of exactly what _they_ call things.)

    So I _can_ see _some_ justification for new ways of doing things, and
    forcing them on users. (Compare the seat-belt and crash-helmet laws; I'm
    not sure if those are the same in US as UK though. [Here belts must be
    fitted, work, and be worn if the car was made later than 19xx, and
    helmets must be worn [by riders of motorised two-wheelers!] except by
    Sikhs.])
    --
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    On 12/22/2012 5:44 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

    The counter to that is that the majority (though not all) of us like
    what we know. If a new way of doing things is actually better, though unfamiliar, but they provided the option of keeping the old way, then
    the vast majority of _upgrading_ users would immediately switch to the
    old way. This would have the result that (a) the users would not benefit
    from the new way, (b) MS [and others] would in effect have to duplicate support effort, in that they'd have to keep supporting both.


    So I _can_ see _some_ justification for new ways of doing things, and
    forcing them on users. (Compare the seat-belt and crash-helmet laws; I'm
    not sure if those are the same in US as UK though. [Here belts must be fitted, work, and be worn if the car was made later than 19xx, and
    helmets must be worn [by riders of motorised two-wheelers!] except by Sikhs.])


    I am not against new things in the operating system. In fact I was using
    OS/2 when most people were extolling the virtue of the first version of Windows. Why because it was far superior to Windows.

    I gladly upgraded to XP as it was based on part of the code that made
    OS/2 far superior and stable.

    However, why should I get excited about upgrading to a system that
    assumes I am using a touch screen on my computer? In my work on the
    computer the mouse works best, as it allows me access to all of the
    areas on the screen with minimal physical movement. With the mouse I
    can quickly move to any place on the screen and keep my hand in the area
    where I am doing non computer things. i.e marking my place on the
    physical page I am working with, turning the electrical switch over to
    better see the information written on it, turning the chip to a better
    angle to read what is written on it.

    When comparing physical movement required by the mouse resting under my
    hand to the movement needed to move my arm and hand all over the screen
    to get the same results, the mouse will all ways win. So what if the operating system is a tad faster, it does not increase the speed that I
    can move my arm and hand. The touch screen causes a net increase in the
    time to do any operation with the operating system because of the
    increase physical movement of the body to get the job done.

    This difference between the mouse and touch screen increases
    significantly as the screen size increases and there is more territory
    to move the hand to get the results you are looking for.

    Using the same computer without a touch screen, still increase the
    physical interaction time with the computer, because simulating a touch
    screen using a mouse requires significantly more movement across the
    screen. Again a net increase in the physical time to interact with the operating system to get the same results.

    Ergonomically the mouse wins hands down. How many muscle problems in
    the arm and shoulder will be caused by keeping your arm and hand
    extended in front of you for 8 hours a day?

    With Windows 8, Microsoft has create a whole new medical syndrome.





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    Newsgroups: alt.windows-xp,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment,mi crosoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Re: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"
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    On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 08:54:56 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    I am not against new things in the operating system. In fact I was using >OS/2 when most people were extolling the virtue of the first version of >Windows. Why because it was far superior to Windows.

    I gladly upgraded to XP as it was based on part of the code that made
    OS/2 far superior and stable.

    However, why should I get excited about upgrading to a system that
    assumes I am using a touch screen on my computer?

    That explains a lot about your attitude. You seem to have completely
    ignored the multiple mentions of being able to avoid the modern UI and
    using a standard desktop.
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    On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 22:18:42 -0500, QuestionQuigley
    <doregan@verizon.net> wrote:


    It seems each version of Windows and MS Office has a new look and feel


    I don't agree at all. Sometimes the changes *are* major, but other
    times they are much more minor. It's certainly not "each version" that
    has " a new look and feel."

    For example, there is very little change in the interface between
    Windows XP and Vista, or between Microsoft Office 2000 and 2003. And
    even Windows 8, which many people think has a giant interface change
    from Windows 7 is very different only if you want it to be. It's not
    *just* the modern/metro interface; the old desktop interface is still
    there and easy to switch to if you want to use it. I use Windows 8,
    and use the old desktop interface almost exclusively; if you looked at
    and used my computer. you'd have a hard time realizing that it was
    Windows 8, not Windows 7.



    that causes many users to get lost. It is one thing to improve functionality, speed, and reliability, but it seems pointless to create
    new layouts and menus that result in users getting lost.


    But I agree with you here. Sometimes Microsoft makes changes that are
    not better or worse than what used to be, and seem to be done just to
    make it different. But that's not very different from what
    manufacturers of other products--for example automobiles--do.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
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    On 12/22/2012 10:17 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
    On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 08:54:56 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    I am not against new things in the operating system. In fact I was using
    OS/2 when most people were extolling the virtue of the first version of
    Windows. Why because it was far superior to Windows.

    I gladly upgraded to XP as it was based on part of the code that made
    OS/2 far superior and stable.

    However, why should I get excited about upgrading to a system that
    assumes I am using a touch screen on my computer?

    That explains a lot about your attitude. You seem to have completely
    ignored the multiple mentions of being able to avoid the modern UI and
    using a standard desktop.


    Blinded by your opinion, you missed the hole point of what I wrote
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    In message <kb4vgl$tpj$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> writes:
    On 12/22/2012 10:17 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
    On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 08:54:56 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    I am not against new things in the operating system. In fact I was using >>> OS/2 when most people were extolling the virtue of the first version of
    Windows. Why because it was far superior to Windows.

    In your opinion. (Which Windows are you talking about - 3.1 [or even
    earlier], or the '9x series [95/98/Me]?)

    I gladly upgraded to XP as it was based on part of the code that made
    OS/2 far superior and stable.

    So you accepted the new when it meant it wasn't new to you (-:.

    However, why should I get excited about upgrading to a system that
    assumes I am using a touch screen on my computer?

    That explains a lot about your attitude. You seem to have completely
    ignored the multiple mentions of being able to avoid the modern UI and
    using a standard desktop.


    Blinded by your opinion, you missed the hole point of what I wrote

    No, he has made the point I was about to make: most (not all) of the W8 knockers do seem to be people whose hatred of the new interface has
    blinded them to the fact that you can turn it off.

    The W8 designers wanted to introduce a new way of working: it might
    appear to be designed for touch screens, though there is more to it than _just_ that. They also provided something similar to the old desktop.
    They had to choose _one_ of them as the default; they _do_ provide an
    actual button on it to change to the other one, so it isn't really
    difficult. Which one they chose was probably a toss-up: their choice
    might have been swayed by a combination of actually wanting 8 to appear different, and getting people to try the new way. (If they'd made the
    old one the default, the majority of both old and new users would never
    have tried the new one, at least for long enough to give it a fair try.)

    It may well be that the new way _is_ not a good one, but new things have
    to be tried, or we'd never get anywhere (this new way of making marks on flattened plant material - I'll stay with my clay tablets, thank you).
    The only way to truly evaluate it, however, would be to poll new users - people who'd never had a computer before (which must be getting hard to
    find now!) - along with similarly new users of, say, 7.

    (FWIW, I have no intention of moving from XP at the moment; however,
    I've played with 7 for long enough that I think I could live with it. I haven't played with 8 nearly enough.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    No, I haven't changed my mind - I'm perfectly happy with the one I have, thank you.
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    In message <1akbd8h1msaecfdnh6lqgqs4o4iajpklv3@4ax.com>, "Ken Blake,
    MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid> writes:
    On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 22:18:42 -0500, QuestionQuigley
    <doregan@verizon.net> wrote:


    It seems each version of Windows and MS Office has a new look and feel


    I don't agree at all. Sometimes the changes *are* major, but other
    times they are much more minor. It's certainly not "each version" that
    has " a new look and feel."

    For example, there is very little change in the interface between
    Windows XP and Vista, or between Microsoft Office 2000 and 2003. And

    Agreed. But the change to Office 2007 and 2010 brought in the "ribbon",
    which most people seem to either love or hate (i. e. few are not
    bothered). [FWIW, I don't particularly like it, but don't hate it,
    provided I can slide it out of the way to get my screen space back,
    which I believe can be done.]

    even Windows 8, which many people think has a giant interface change
    from Windows 7 is very different only if you want it to be. It's not
    *just* the modern/metro interface; the old desktop interface is still
    there and easy to switch to if you want to use it. I use Windows 8,
    and use the old desktop interface almost exclusively; if you looked at
    and used my computer. you'd have a hard time realizing that it was
    Windows 8, not Windows 7.



    that causes many users to get lost. It is one thing to improve
    functionality, speed, and reliability, but it seems pointless to create
    new layouts and menus that result in users getting lost.


    But I agree with you here. Sometimes Microsoft makes changes that are
    not better or worse than what used to be, and seem to be done just to
    make it different. But that's not very different from what
    manufacturers of other products--for example automobiles--do.

    (-:

    (Sometimes there must indeed be an element of just making it look new,
    but also sometimes it's a way of trying things genuinely new - some of
    which work, some of which don't, and no amount of trialling will really
    tell you which.)

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    No, I haven't changed my mind - I'm perfectly happy with the one I have, thank you.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
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    How much does a multi touch screen for a desktop system cost?

    If I'm going to buy W8 to run on one of my machines,
    will any of the free third party DVD players run
    on the basic version of W8?

    What's added to the "Professional" version of W8?

    Is there an Ultimate version of W8?

    Is that compatability stuff to run old software
    built into all versions of W8, or only certain versions?

    I can't even buy a "clean boot" RETAIL version of W8
    where the license is transferrable?

    Microsoft actually has service centers where for $99
    they will remove crapware and make you
    a clean boot of W8?

    When does Microsoft plan to pull the plug
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    Has it occurred to anybody that this model
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    SECURITY FLAWS actually benefits Microsoft?

    What would happen to user DEPENDENCY
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    WITHOUT huge security flaws, without the
    need for 200+ SECURITY UPDATES?

    Aren't we all just like JUNKIES hooked and
    dependent on Microsoft for SECURITY UPDATES?
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
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    Newsgroups: alt.windows-xp,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment,mi crosoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Re: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"
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    On 12/23/2012 7:10 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    In message <kb4vgl$tpj$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle

    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    I am not against new things in the operating system. In fact I was
    using
    OS/2 when most people were extolling the virtue of the first version of
    Windows. Why because it was far superior to Windows.

    In your opinion. (Which Windows are you talking about - 3.1 [or even earlier], or the '9x series [95/98/Me]?)

    I gladly upgraded to XP as it was based on part of the code that made
    OS/2 far superior and stable.

    So you accepted the new when it meant it wasn't new to you (-:.

    I have worked with FORTRAN, COBOL, BASIC, DOS, WINDOWS and OS/2
    My first programmable device was a TI-59 calculator. My first computer
    was a TI-99/4a, my next was an Apple II? (1983). The first PC operating system I used was DOS. I then got the first Window OS when it replaced
    DOS 6. After using it for a period I bought OS/2 and installed it.

    I definitely am not afraid of new things.

    While you are criticizing me for what I said, you never answered the
    ergonomic problems I have with Windows 8
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    knuttle wrote:

    On 12/23/2012 7:10 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    In message <kb4vgl$tpj$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle

    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    I am not against new things in the operating system. In fact I was
    using
    OS/2 when most people were extolling the virtue of the first version of
    Windows. Why because it was far superior to Windows.

    In your opinion. (Which Windows are you talking about - 3.1 [or even
    earlier], or the '9x series [95/98/Me]?)

    "First version" isn't something I'd normally consider up for debate... but then, "the first version of Windows" (i.e. Windows 1.0) predates OS/2 by a couple of years. (If you were truly using OS/2 when Windows 1.0 came out, I'd like to borrow your time machine.) As for "extolling the virtue" of Win1, let me qoute Wikipedia (The Web's Largest Source of Disinformation[tm]):

    "[...] when finally released, Windows 1.0 aroused little interest."

    (*I* didn't even hear of Windows until around 1989-ish.)

    Also, the first version of OS/2 was essentially "DOS plus"; no GUI provided until OS/2 1.1, a year and a half after OS/2 1.0, and nearly half a year
    after the release of Windows 2.1. Until then, any comparison between OS/2 & Windows would've been apples and oranges.

    I gladly upgraded to XP as it was based on part of the code that made
    OS/2 far superior and stable.

    I'm a bit curious about this. If you upgraded to XP (from what, may I ask?) for that reason, did you switch to NT3.1 when it first came out? It was the first Windows system based on the OS/2 codebase.

    So you accepted the new when it meant it wasn't new to you (-:.

    I have worked with FORTRAN, COBOL, BASIC, DOS, WINDOWS and OS/2

    Oh god. COBOL. I'm so sorry.

    My first programmable device was a TI-59 calculator. My first computer
    was a TI-99/4a, my next was an Apple II? (1983). The first PC operating system I used was DOS. I then got the first Window OS when it replaced
    DOS 6. After using it for a period I bought OS/2 and installed it.

    The first actual Windows OS was NT3. Win16 and the 9x line were just shells
    on top of DOS. Just sayin'.

    --
    Excuse me while I change into something more formidable.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    On 12/23/2012 9:54 AM, Auric__ wrote:



    The first actual Windows OS was NT3. Win16 and the 9x line were just shells on top of DOS. Just sayin'.

    Still no response to the ergonomic problems of Window 8
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
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    knuttle wrote:
    On 12/23/2012 9:54 AM, Auric__ wrote:



    The first actual Windows OS was NT3. Win16 and the 9x line were just
    shells
    on top of DOS. Just sayin'.

    Still no response to the ergonomic problems of Window 8

    http://www.7tutorials.com/how-boot-desktop-windows-8-skip-start-screen

    I've not tried these solutions, though, as I don't run Windows 8, and
    can't @rsed to pay fifty quid to try it out.
    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.
    XP on this machine, 7 on another.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    knuttle wrote:

    On 12/23/2012 9:54 AM, Auric__ wrote:

    The first actual Windows OS was NT3. Win16 and the 9x line were just
    shells on top of DOS. Just sayin'.

    Still no response to the ergonomic problems of Window 8

    I haven't used it yet so I can't give any first-hand answers.

    --
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    - I know.
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    Greegor <greegor47@gmail.com> wrote:
    Windows 8 can't even play a DVD unless you buy
    a more expensive Media Center edition?? WTF?

    That's proof that newer version isn't always better.

    ROFL Look at the comments from UPGRADE purchasers!

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416562

    Microsoft Windows 8 Professional Upgrade $ 69.99

    What'd you get from easter egg? Windows 8!

    At least Microsoft fired the culprit

    In this case, they fired the wrong person.
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    Message-ID: <5444fc3b-40b8-463b-b91e-f0046bf9ca8e@uc4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Proposal to Keep WinXP Support "Alive"
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    I walked into one of the big box stores with a dozen
    different laptops on display and every blasted one
    was being sold with Windows 8.

    It looks like Microsoft has already started leaning on
    every OEM to STOP bundling Win 7 with their hardware
    and bundle Win8 with their systems instead, even
    on the slow cheap notebook computers and systems
    without multi-touch screens to do the pinch minimize etc.

    The MS Life Cycle page says availability is "To be determined" for
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    On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 08:56:53 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 12/23/2012 7:10 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    In message <kb4vgl$tpj$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle

    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    I am not against new things in the operating system. In fact I was
    using
    OS/2 when most people were extolling the virtue of the first version of
    Windows. Why because it was far superior to Windows.

    In your opinion. (Which Windows are you talking about - 3.1 [or even
    earlier], or the '9x series [95/98/Me]?)

    I gladly upgraded to XP as it was based on part of the code that made
    OS/2 far superior and stable.

    So you accepted the new when it meant it wasn't new to you (-:.

    I have worked with FORTRAN, COBOL, BASIC, DOS, WINDOWS and OS/2
    My first programmable device was a TI-59 calculator. My first computer
    was a TI-99/4a, my next was an Apple II? (1983). The first PC operating >system I used was DOS. I then got the first Window OS when it replaced
    DOS 6. After using it for a period I bought OS/2 and installed it.

    I definitely am not afraid of new things.

    While you are criticizing me for what I said, you never answered the >ergonomic problems I have with Windows 8

    I answered your question, but you didn't like it.
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    On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:52:05 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 12/22/2012 10:17 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
    On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 08:54:56 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    I am not against new things in the operating system. In fact I was using >>> OS/2 when most people were extolling the virtue of the first version of
    Windows. Why because it was far superior to Windows.

    I gladly upgraded to XP as it was based on part of the code that made
    OS/2 far superior and stable.

    However, why should I get excited about upgrading to a system that
    assumes I am using a touch screen on my computer?

    That explains a lot about your attitude. You seem to have completely
    ignored the multiple mentions of being able to avoid the modern UI and
    using a standard desktop.


    Blinded by your opinion, you missed the hole point of what I wrote

    I was specifically responding to your final paragraph and only left
    the rest in for context. If your "hole point" (sic) wasn't captured by
    that paragraph, then I indeed missed it.

    In case I need to spell it out, Win 8 *doesn't* assume that you're
    using a touch screen, at least not in the way that I think you mean
    it.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
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    Le 18/12/2012 21:05, Greegor a écrit :

    Windows 8 can't even play a DVD unless you buy
    a more expensive Media Center edition?? WTF?

    Try VLC Media Player. It's free and GPL.

    --
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    We should create misc.phone.mobile.android newsgroup....
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    On 12/30/2012 6:51 AM PT, Evgenii Sputnik typed:

    Le 18/12/2012 21:05, Greegor a écrit :

    Windows 8 can't even play a DVD unless you buy
    a more expensive Media Center edition?? WTF?

    Or get it MC for free within a time period: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/window-on-windows/get-the-windows-8-media-cent er-pack-for-free-but-be-prepared-to-wait/6928
    --
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    crawling hill and holds them all in sway, ants will wander witless and purposeless and then feebly die, so the creatures of Sauron, orc or
    troll or beast spell-enslaved, ran hither and thither mindless; and some
    slew themselves, or cast themselves in pits, or fled wailing back to
    hide in holes and dark lightless places far from hope." --The Return of
    the King (book)
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    On 12/30/2012 10:28 AM, Ant wrote:
    On 12/30/2012 6:51 AM PT, Evgenii Sputnik typed:

    Le 18/12/2012 21:05, Greegor a écrit :

    Windows 8 can't even play a DVD unless you buy
    a more expensive Media Center edition?? WTF?

    Or get it MC for free within a time period:

    http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/window-on-windows/get-the-windows-8-media-cent er-pack-for-free-but-be-prepared-to-wait/6928

    Will other media players like Real Player and the Apple media player
    work on Windows 8. They both are free.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013)
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    On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:24:49 -0500, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 12/30/2012 10:28 AM, Ant wrote:
    On 12/30/2012 6:51 AM PT, Evgenii Sputnik typed:

    Le 18/12/2012 21:05, Greegor a écrit :

    Windows 8 can't even play a DVD unless you buy
    a more expensive Media Center edition?? WTF?

    Or get it MC for free within a time period:
    http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/window-on-windows/get-the-windows-8-media-cent er-pack-for-free-but-be-prepared-to-wait/6928

    Will other media players like Real Player and the Apple media player
    work on Windows 8. They both are free.

    I'd be surprised to learn that anyone still uses either of those. I
    thought usage had dropped to nearly zero about 10-12 years ago.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1
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    On 12/30/2012 12:24 PM, knuttle wrote:
    On 12/30/2012 10:28 AM, Ant wrote:
    On 12/30/2012 6:51 AM PT, Evgenii Sputnik typed:

    Le 18/12/2012 21:05, Greegor a écrit :

    Windows 8 can't even play a DVD unless you buy
    a more expensive Media Center edition?? WTF?

    Or get it MC for free within a time period:
    http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/window-on-windows/get-the-windows-8-media-cent er-pack-for-free-but-be-prepared-to-wait/6928


    Will other media players like Real Player and the Apple media player
    work on Windows 8. They both are free.

    Are you talking about iTunes? If so then yes iTunes works on Windows 8
    just fine.
    --

    Roy Smith
    Windows 8
    Thunderbird 17.0
    Monday, December 31, 2012 8:50:11 AM
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    On Dec 30 2012, 8:51 am, Evgenii Sputnik <elsputni...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Le 18/12/2012 21:05, Greegor a écrit :

    Windows 8 can't even play a DVD unless you buy
    a more expensive Media Center edition??   WTF?

    Try VLC Media Player. It's free and GPL.

    I've been using it for years and like it very much.

    It's not crippled by something left out of W8?
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