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  • ::: NEWS ::: Telegram-based BBS Echos

    From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to All on Sun Nov 15 01:13:00 2020
  • From Fred Riccio@1:132/174 to August Abolins on Sun Nov 15 12:41:03 2020
    Hello August!

    15 Nov 20 01:13, August Abolins wrote to All:

    With these links, you can participate in the following echos
    with a Telegram-based BBS:

    Have you contacted the moderators of those echos to verify it is OK to make them available over the internet?

    --- Msged/NT 6.0.1
    * Origin: Somewhere in New Hampshire's White Mountains (1:132/174)
  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Fred Riccio on Mon Nov 16 11:31:13 2020
    Fred wrote (2020-11-15):

    Hello August!

    15 Nov 20 01:13, August Abolins wrote to All:

    With these links, you can participate in the following echos
    with a Telegram-based BBS:

    Have you contacted the moderators of those echos to verify it is OK to make them available over the internet?

    What about the users of those echos? Did they give their consent, that their messages are stored on Telegram servers (and to Telegram's ToS and privacy policy)?

    ---
    * Origin: (2:280/464.47)
  • From Fred Riccio@1:132/174 to Oli on Mon Nov 16 08:26:02 2020
    Hello Oli!

    16 Nov 20 11:31, Oli wrote to Fred Riccio:

    What about the users of those echos? Did they give their consent, that their messages are stored on Telegram servers (and to Telegram's ToS
    and privacy policy)?

    The moderator, who was elected by the users, will speak for the users.

    --- Msged/NT 6.0.1
    * Origin: Somewhere in New Hampshire's White Mountains (1:132/174)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to Fred Riccio on Mon Nov 16 06:31:58 2020
    Hello, Fred Riccio.
    On 11/15/20 12:41 PM you wrote:

    Hello August! 15 Nov 20 01:13, August Abolins wrote to All:
    With these links, you can participate in the following echos
    with a Telegram-based BBS:
    Have you contacted the moderators of those echos to verify it is
    OK to make them available over the internet?

    Yes, they are getting moderator permission first.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Houston, TX (2:240/1120.976)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Fred Riccio on Wed Nov 18 20:58:00 2020
    Hello Fred!

    ** On Sunday 15.11.20 - 12:41, Fred Riccio wrote to August Abolins:

    With these links, you can participate in the following echos
    with a Telegram-based BBS:

    Have you contacted the moderators of those echos to verify it is OK to make them available over the internet?

    Sorry.. Did permission have to come from you too?

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.47
    * Origin: (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Charles Pierson on Wed Nov 18 21:44:00 2020
    Hello Charles!

    ** On Wednesday 18.11.20 - 20:28, Charles Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

    Have you contacted the moderators of those echos to verify it is
    OK to make them available over the internet?
    Sorry.. Did permission have to come from you too?

    Sarcastic replies definitely do not help things.

    I wasn't being sarcastic.


    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.47
    * Origin: (2:221/1.58)
  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to August Abolins on Wed Nov 18 20:28:42 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 11/18/20 8:58 PM you wrote:

    Hello Fred! ** On Sunday 15.11.20 - 12:41, Fred Riccio wrote to
    August Abolins:
    With these links, you can participate in the following echos
    with a Telegram-based BBS:
    Have you contacted the moderators of those echos to verify it is
    OK to make them available over the internet?
    Sorry.. Did permission have to come from you too?

    It's a fair question. You can't expect to try something new without these questions.

    Sarcastic replies definitely do not help things.

    Not everyone follows all echos, so something new like this is going to cause questions and concerns.

    They need to be addressed openly and honestly without attitude.

    New ways to do things can be difficult to accept under the best of circumstances.

    This definitely hasn't been the best of circumstances.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Houston, TX (1:153/757.26)
  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to August Abolins on Wed Nov 18 21:48:43 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 11/18/20 9:44 PM you wrote:

    Hello Charles! ** On Wednesday 18.11.20 - 20:28, Charles Pierson
    wrote to August Abolins:
    Have you contacted the moderators of those echos to verify it
    is OK to make them available over the internet?
    Sorry.. Did permission have to come from you too?
    Sarcastic replies definitely do not help things.
    I wasn't being sarcastic.

    Perhaps not. But with the lack of context and other cues written communication has, it definitely can seem that way.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Houston, TX (1:153/757.26)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Charles Pierson on Thu Nov 19 00:12:00 2020
    Hello Charles!

    ** On Wednesday 18.11.20 - 21:48, Charles Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

    I wasn't being sarcastic.

    Perhaps not. But with the lack of context and other cues written communication has, it definitely can seem that way.

    Never assume. It makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me".



    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.47
    * Origin: (2:221/1.58)
  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Fred Riccio on Thu Nov 19 14:34:08 2020
    Fred wrote (2020-11-16):

    Hello Oli!

    16 Nov 20 11:31, Oli wrote to Fred Riccio:

    What about the users of those echos? Did they give their consent,
    that their messages are stored on Telegram servers (and to
    Telegram's ToS and privacy policy)?

    The moderator, who was elected by the users, will speak for the users.

    moderators are not always elected and this is not how privacy laws work. you cannot give consent for other people just like this.

    ---
    * Origin: (2:280/464.47)
  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Fred Riccio on Sun Nov 15 18:42:41 2020
    On 15 Nov 2020, Fred Riccio said the following...

    Have you contacted the moderators of those echos to verify it is OK to make them available over the internet?

    I'm not August but my understanding is that in the few groups/echos that have been made available through Telegram the moderators did give permission.

    -=>Richard Miles<=-
    -=>Captain Obvious<=-
    -=>bbs.shadowscope.com<=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Shadowscope BBS | bbs.shadowscope.com | Temple, GA (1:3634/24)
  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Oli on Tue Nov 17 08:35:36 2020
    On 16 Nov 2020, Oli said the following...

    Have you contacted the moderators of those echos to verify it is OK t make them available over the internet?

    What about the users of those echos? Did they give their consent, that their messages are stored on Telegram servers (and to Telegram's ToS and privacy policy)?

    Have they all given their consent for their messages the be stored on
    multiple nntp servers, quite a few of which are open to anyone on the
    internet and searchable by multiple search engines?

    Multiple Synchronet boards have their messages open to the web as well.

    -=>Richard Miles<=-
    -=>Captain Obvious<=-
    -=>bbs.shadowscope.com<=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Shadowscope BBS | bbs.shadowscope.com | Temple, GA (1:3634/24)
  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to Richard Miles on Sat Nov 21 20:15:50 2020
    Richard wrote:
    Multiple Synchronet boards have their messages open to the web as well.

    But you still have to be authenticated to the BBS you're on if you wish to respond. Same with a BBS with an NNTP interface. You can read but no login, no reply.
    --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
    * Origin: End Of The Line BBS - endofthelinebbs.com (1:124/5016)
  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to Nigel Reed on Sat Nov 21 20:48:23 2020
    Hello, Nigel Reed.
    On 11/21/20 8:15 PM you wrote:

    Richard wrote:
    Multiple Synchronet boards have their messages open to the web as
    well.
    But you still have to be authenticated to the BBS you're on if you
    wish to respond. Same with a BBS with an NNTP interface. You can
    read but no login, no reply.

    It's the same with Telegram. You have to have an authenticated Telegram account in order to join any of the group chats to be able to read or write.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Houston, TX (1:153/757.26)
  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to Charles Pierson on Sat Nov 21 22:20:33 2020
    Re: Re: ::: NEWS ::: Telegram-based BBS Echos
    By: Charles Pierson to Nigel Reed on Sat Nov 21 2020 20:48:23

    It's the same with Telegram. You have to have an authenticated Telegram account in order to join any of the group chats to be able to read or write.

    And therein lies the difference. It's a telgram account. It's not an access method controlled by any BBS on Fidonet. What if the person causes problems such as posting junk or spam? How are they removed or forbidden from posting?
    --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
    * Origin: End Of The Line BBS - endofthelinebbs.com (1:124/5016)
  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Nigel Reed on Sun Nov 22 05:47:25 2020
    On 21 Nov 2020, Nigel Reed said the following...

    But you still have to be authenticated to the BBS you're on if you wish
    to respond. Same with a BBS with an NNTP interface. You can read but no login, no reply.

    That's not the issue that has been brought up though. You also have to be authenticated before you can access fido messages through Telegram or
    download messages to an offline reader as well. The issue that was brought up was that some folks were concerned about their messages being able to be accessed online through a different internet service.

    -=>Richard Miles<=-
    -=>Captain Obvious<=-
    -=>bbs.shadowscope.com<=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Shadowscope BBS | bbs.shadowscope.com | Temple, GA (1:3634/24)
  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to Nigel Reed on Sun Nov 22 05:10:43 2020
    Hello, Nigel Reed.
    On 11/21/20 10:20 PM you wrote:

    Re: Re: ::: NEWS ::: Telegram-based BBS Echos
    By: Charles Pierson to Nigel Reed on Sat Nov 21 2020 20:48:23
    It's the same with Telegram. You have to have an authenticated
    Telegram account in order to join any of the group chats to be
    able to read or write.
    And therein lies the difference. It's a telgram account. It's not
    an access method controlled by any BBS on Fidonet. What if the
    person causes problems such as posting junk or spam? How are they
    removed or forbidden from posting?

    There are both the owner of the group and admins that can remove people from the group in such cases.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Houston, TX (1:153/757.26)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nigel Reed on Sun Nov 22 08:57:00 2020
    Hello Nigel!

    ** On Saturday 21.11.20 - 22:20, Nigel Reed wrote to Charles Pierson:

    It's the same with Telegram. You have to have an
    authenticated Telegram account in order to join any of the
    group chats to be able to read or write.

    And therein lies the difference. It's a telgram account.
    It's not an access method controlled by any BBS on
    Fidonet. What if the person causes problems such as
    posting junk or spam? How are they removed or forbidden
    from posting?

    I invite you to hop on over to FIDONET.TELEGRAM echo where
    people can answer specific questions like that.

    But for a quick answer, the solution to the how a user is
    banned is very easy - and universal. Once the person is
    disallowed, they can never get back in the group unless they
    change their phone number - and are reauthenticated by the
    Telegram system. Using throw-away one-time-use numbers are
    also heavily scrutinized by Telegram - and many of those are
    automaticaly banned at the outset. For the most part,
    Telegram seems to only allow phone numbers that can be
    associated with acutal phone carriers, not virtual ones.

    Further, there *is* a BBS system in the middle, before
    messages reach Fidonet. A user can be filtered out at that
    point too.
    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.47
    * Origin: (2:221/1.58)
  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to August Abolins on Mon Nov 23 10:19:10 2020
    August wrote (2020-11-22):

    I invite you to hop on over to FIDONET.TELEGRAM echo where
    people can answer specific questions like that.

    Is FIDONET.TELEGRAM fidonet-only or is it gated to Telegram?

    Btw, which node is responsible for the gateway?

    ---
    * Origin: (2:280/464.47)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Oli on Mon Nov 23 02:40:16 2020
    Re: ::: NEWS ::: Telegram-based BBS Echos
    By: Oli to August Abolins on Mon Nov 23 2020 10:19 am

    Is FIDONET.TELEGRAM fidonet-only or is it gated to Telegram?

    It is a fidonet echo and it is linked with telegram also.

    Btw, which node is responsible for the gateway?

    I think it is Stas Mishchenkov at 2:460/58.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... I am a Klingon, sir. I do NOT whistle while I work!
    --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757.2)
  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to August Abolins on Mon Nov 23 07:00:28 2020
    August wrote:
    Hello Nigel!

    ** On Saturday 21.11.20 - 22:20, Nigel Reed wrote to Charles Pierson:

    It's the same with Telegram. You have to have an
    authenticated Telegram account in order to join any of the
    group chats to be able to read or write.

    And therein lies the difference. It's a telgram account.
    It's not an access method controlled by any BBS on
    Fidonet. What if the person causes problems such as
    posting junk or spam? How are they removed or forbidden
    from posting?

    I invite you to hop on over to FIDONET.TELEGRAM echo where
    people can answer specific questions like that.

    Is TELEGRAM an official echo on the backbone? Neither hub I use have it.
    --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
    * Origin: End Of The Line BBS - endofthelinebbs.com (1:124/5016)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nigel Reed on Mon Nov 23 14:17:45 2020
    Hi Nigel,

    On 2020-11-23 07:00:28, you wrote to August Abolins:

    I invite you to hop on over to FIDONET.TELEGRAM echo where
    people can answer specific questions like that.

    Is TELEGRAM an official echo on the backbone? Neither hub I use have it.

    We have a link. I have it! ;-)

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nigel Reed on Mon Nov 23 08:50:00 2020
    Hello Nigel!

    ** On Monday 23.11.20 - 07:00, Nigel Reed wrote to August Abolins:

    I invite you to hop on over to FIDONET.TELEGRAM echo where
    people can answer specific questions like that.

    Is TELEGRAM an official echo on the backbone? Neither hub I use have it.

    It just rolled out. It should show up in the ELSTnnnn.zip at
    the next issue. In the meantime, other avenues of announcement
    are being implemented too. Look for FIDONET.TELEGRAM.

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.47
    * Origin: (2:221/1.58)
  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Nov 23 11:29:17 2020
    Re: Re: ::: NEWS ::: Telegram-based BBS Echos
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to Nigel Reed on Mon Nov 23 2020 14:17:45

    Is TELEGRAM an official echo on the backbone? Neither hub I use have it.

    We have a link. I have it! ;-)

    Well, this was recently added then. I have to subscribe to it.
    --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
    * Origin: End Of The Line BBS - endofthelinebbs.com (1:124/5016)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nigel Reed on Mon Nov 23 21:21:00 2020
    Hi Nigel,

    On 2020-11-23 11:29:17, you wrote to me:

    Is TELEGRAM an official echo on the backbone? Neither hub I use
    have
    it.

    We have a link. I have it! ;-)

    Well, this was recently added then. I have to subscribe to it.

    Yes, it's a new echomail area...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)