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Linux Tip of the Day
By Janis Kracht, 1:261/38, janis@filegate.net

Linux folks probably remember a tip I posted long ago to return
to the last directory you were in, cd -

Here's another easy to use command, ll.

To list the contents of a directory, most people use ls -1. You
can also use the ll command to list the contents of a directory:

ll

Here's an example on my bbbs-l directory:

bbs@filegate:/home/ftp/pub/bbbs$ ll bbbs-l
total 19044
drwxr-xr-x 2 bbs bbs 4096 Dec 2 2014 ./
drwxr-xr-x 16 bbs bbs 4096 Dec 2 2014 ../
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 1023 May 1 2007 bbbs.css
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 1688014 Feb 13 2007 BBBSL401.ZIP
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 2437724 Aug 29 2005 bbbs_lia.tar.gz
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 1679646 Aug 29 2005 bbbs_lis.tar.gz
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 2463250 Aug 29 2005 bbbsrlia.tar.gz
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 1592184 Aug 29 2005 bbbsrlii.tar.gz
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 1697882 Aug 29 2005 bbbsrlis.tar.gz
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 6626 Dec 25 2009 BEQVSDEB.ZIP
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 10483 Dec 25 2009 BINSTDEB.ZIP
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 925410 Feb 13 2007 BTERL401.ZIP
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 1649258 May 3 2002 bter_lia.tar.gz
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 845337 May 3 2002 bter_lii.tar.gz
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 936717 May 3 2002 bter_lis.tar.gz
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 1675452 May 3 2002 bterrlia.tar.gz
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 862487 May 3 2002 bterrlii.tar.gz
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 955554 May 3 2002 bterrlis.tar.gz
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 8531 Dec 2 2014 d2cs.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbs bbs 1388 Feb 1 11:05 descript.ion
-rw-r--r-- 1 bbs bbs 10179 Dec 2 2014 index.html

Just another easy to use command :)






FIDOGAZETTE Vol 13 No 25 Page 3 June 19, 2019


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Re: FidoGazette Vol 13 no 25 Page: 3
By: Janis Kracht to All on Wed Jun 19 2019 10:08 pm

Er, Hi.

Here's another easy to use command, ll.

Interesting thing to point out as a command. It's actually not a Linux command or executable, it's an alias supplied in some shell configurations on *some* Linux distributions. So, it's not a given that it's in one's version of Linux at all.

If one is interested if they have it or not, they can use the command: alias

This will show all the aliases set in their shell. And they can build their own 'commands' using alias, too.

To list the contents of a directory, most people use ls -1. You

Most who? That would be a clumsy way of using ls when the default without arguments provides a nice layout. ls -1 is handy when you need to pipe a listing's worth of filenames in to something that parses it.

I hope this information is useful to some - mostly felt it important to be clear about ll not being an actual command and isn't there on many systems.
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I hope this information is useful to some - mostly felt it important to be clear about ll not being an actual command and isn't there on many systems.

I wasn't going to comment on your message, no need; but here I am...

I switched from DOS to *NIX operating systems 30 years ago.. First running Xenix and sucessfully writing programs with it in the business world. We then used Mark Williams Coherent, then later one of the earliest version of Linux. My husband and I continue writing software in C and other languages for *nix to
this day. Nothing in your message is new to me, but thank you for posting in the echo.

While it is true LL is not available on some *NIX systems, I couldn't find one that doen't include it in the bash shell although there may be some shells that
do not include it. Perhaps your superior searching skills can find the answer to that one.

Yes it is true ll is not a command, it is an alias for ls -l but essentially it
works just as any shell command. The fact that something is not an executible does not mean it is not a command.

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Re: FidoGazette Vol 13 no 25 Page: 3
By: Janis Kracht to Adam Clark on Mon Jun 24 2019 10:59 am

While it is true LL is not available on some *NIX systems, I couldn't find

one that doen't include it in the bash shell although

there may be some shells that
do not include it. Perhaps your superior searching skills can find the

answer

to that one.

It's not done in Debian, so I would suspect there would be a variety of descendents that would possibly not have it either, I'm not sure. But, Debian's a big one to not have it, so I would suspect there'd be big gaps out there.
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JK> While it is true LL is not available on some *NIX systems, I
JK> couldn't find one that doen't include it in the bash shell although
JK> there may be some shells that do not include it. Perhaps your
JK> superior searching skills can find the answer to that one.

It's not done in Debian, so I would suspect there would be a
variety of descendents that would possibly not have it either,
I'm not sure. But, Debian's a big one to not have it, so I would
suspect there'd be big gaps out there.

It's not done by default in Slackware and variants, either. I'd
hazard an educated guess that the majority of distros do not have
this "enabled" by default.


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Janis Kracht wrote to Adam Clark <=-

While it is true LL is not available on some *NIX systems, I couldn't
find one that doen't include it in the bash shell although there may be some shells that do not include it. Perhaps your superior searching skills can find the answer to that one.

Slackware doesn't have it. However, I've just aliased ls directly to use
that in my bash_profile. The same with PS1, connecting via ssh to the BBS,
and a whole boatload of other things. Reminds me of running OS/2 and REXX...which REXX is available on Leeennnuuuxxxx.

TBH, that's the first time I'd heard of "ll" being used but it makes perfect sense why it is. :)

Later,
Sean
(who has been eyeing Devuan for a while now)


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Re: Re: FidoGazette Vol 13 no 25 Page: 3
By: Sean Dennis to Janis Kracht on Tue Jun 25 2019 06:17 pm

and a whole boatload of other things. Reminds me of running OS/2 and

REXX...which REXX is available on Leeennnuuuxxxx.

Is that meant to be "*wish* Rexx is available on Linux"?

https://regina-rexx.sourceforge.io/

Maybe your lucky day?
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Hi Sean,

some shells that do not include it. Perhaps your superior searching
skills can find the answer to that one.

Slackware doesn't have it. However, I've just aliased ls directly to use that in my bash_profile. The same with PS1, connecting via ssh to the BBS, and a whole boatload of other things.

Sure, early on I remember adding a ton of 'shortcuts' to my bash_profile.. I even added bbbs's directory command li to it because I kept typing 'li' in my shells <g>

Reminds me of running OS/2 and
REXX...which REXX is available on Leeennnuuuxxxx.

hehe..

TBH, that's the first time I'd heard of "ll" being used but it makes perfect sense why it is. :)
Sean
(who has been eyeing Devuan for a while now)

I'll have to check it out.. :)

Take care,
Janis

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On 2019 Jun 26 20:36:10, you wrote to Sean Dennis:

Sean (who has been eyeing Devuan for a while now)

I'll have to check it out.. :)

devuan is debian without that nasty systemd crap infesting it... we've been seriously considering it, too, but prefer KDE as the window manager over others... gotta try to find time and space to set something up to install it and see if KDE goes in easily...

)\/(ark

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mark lewis wrote to Janis Kracht <=-

devuan is debian without that nasty systemd crap infesting it...
we've been seriously considering it, too, but prefer KDE as the
window manager over others... gotta try to find time and space to
set something up to install it and see if KDE goes in easily...

Mark, another possible candidate for you might be "MX Linux".
It's currently the "most popular" rated distro on Distrowatch.com.
It's based on Debian, so the apt-tools are there, and uses the
SysV init system, no systemd. Default desktop is XFCE but should
be able to add KDE easily enough. I've looked at it and thought
it was pretty nice. Might be worth a look.


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Sean (who has been eyeing Devuan for a while now)

I'll have to check it out.. :)

devuan is debian without that nasty systemd crap infesting it...

Right, that's sure what it looks like.

we've been
seriously considering it, too, but prefer KDE as the window manager over others... gotta try to find time and space to set something up to install it and see if KDE goes in easily...

I always prefer KDE as the window manager as well. Works well with bbbs/li :)

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Adam Clark wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Is that meant to be "*wish* Rexx is available on Linux"?

You just answered your own question there...I've had Regina installed under Linux for 10+ years.

Later,
Sean


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mark lewis wrote to Janis Kracht <=-

devuan is debian without that nasty systemd crap infesting it...

As a friend who is much more experienced in *NIX than I am said, "If I
wanted systemd, I'd run Windows." :D

Let me know how the KDE injection goes with Devuan. I've heard a lot of
good things about it. Like I said to Janis, I just haven't had time to try
things out. I'm wanting to take this W10 install, turn it into a VM using
VMware's converter, and go back to Linux full time again but I need a 4TB
HD to store the VM on since VMware images the entire hard drive whether
it's used or not...

Later,
Sean

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Janis Kracht wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Sure, early on I remember adding a ton of 'shortcuts' to my
bash_profile.. I even added bbbs's directory command li to it because I kept typing 'li' in my shells <g>

One of the first things I do if I set up a new Linux box is copy my personal bash_profile to it. I have a ton of aliases and configuration settings that make my life a whole lot easier.

(who has been eyeing Devuan for a while now)

I'll have to check it out.. :)

Devuan is basically Debian sans systemd. I'm no fan of systemd
for various reasons and that's why I've downloaded Devuan and am going to eventually(TM) get around to burning it to a USB stick and giving it a
virtual look-see. Just too many other things in the way right now with
higher priorities. :)

Later,
Sean


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Janis Kracht wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Sure, early on I remember adding a ton of 'shortcuts' to my
bash_profile.. I even added bbbs's directory command li to it because I
kept typing 'li' in my shells <g>

One of the first things I do if I set up a new Linux box is copy my personal bash_profile to it. I have a ton of aliases and configuration settings that make my life a whole lot easier.

Yep.. exactly..

(who has been eyeing Devuan for a while now)
I'll have to check it out.. :)

Devuan is basically Debian sans systemd. I'm no fan of systemd
for various reasons and that's why I've downloaded Devuan and am going to eventually(TM) get around to burning it to a USB stick and giving it a virtual look-see. Just too many other things in the way right now with higher priorities. :)

I resemble that remark Lol

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