Hello All!

Can anyone succeed in getting a DIR listing after ftp'ing into trmb.synchro.net?

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Hello August,

Can anyone succeed in getting a DIR listing after ftp'ing into trmb.synchro.net?

Indeed, I just added a setting to my sbbs.ini that I am hoping will make my ftp site more accessible. It has been working for some and not for others.

If anyone has the time I'd be intereted in hearing about success and/or failure with ftp at trmb.synchro.net.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hi August,

On 2021-02-06 21:35:00, you wrote to All:

Can anyone succeed in getting a DIR listing after ftp'ing into trmb.synchro.net?

Like this:

# ftp trmb.synchro.net
Connected to trmb.synchro.net.
220-The Rusty MailBox (trmb.synchro.net)
Synchronet FTP Server 3.18c-Linux Ready
220 Please enter your user name.
Name (trmb.synchro.net:wilfred): anonymous
331 User name okay, give your full e-mail address as password.
Password:
230-Guest logged in.
230-You have 20725760 download credits.
230 You are allowed 1440 minutes of use for this session.
Remote system type is UNIX.
Using binary mode to transfer files.

dir

229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||1024|)
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls.
-r--r--r-- 1 trmb trmb 512 Feb 7 03:53 00index -r--r--r-- 1 trmb trmb 10240 Feb 7 03:53 trmb.qwk dr-xr-xr-x 1 trmb trmb 512 Feb 7 03:53 local
dr-xr-xr-x 1 trmb trmb 512 Feb 7 03:53 bbs
dr-xr-xr-x 1 trmb trmb 512 Feb 7 03:53 fsxnet dr-xr-xr-x 1 trmb trmb 512 Feb 7 03:53 fidonet dr-xr-xr-x 1 trmb trmb 512 Feb 7 03:53 gfd
226 Download complete (988 cps).

quit

221 Goodbye. Closing control connection.
wilfred@wilnux5:~>



Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Alan Ianson!

** On Saturday 06.02.21 - 20:02, Alan Ianson wrote to August Abolins:

If anyone has the time I'd be intereted in hearing about
success and/or failure with ftp at trmb.synchro.net.

Still a nogo for me:

H:\DOWNLOADS>ftp trmb.synchro.net
Connected to trmb.synchro.net.
220-The Rusty MailBox (trmb.synchro.net)
Synchronet FTP Server 3.18c-Linux Ready
220 Please enter your user name.
User (trmb.synchro.net:(none)): ogg
331 User name okay, need password.
Password:
230-Ogg logged in.
230-You have 20725760 download credits.
230 You are allowed 546 minutes of use for this session.

dir

Connection closed by remote host.


That was @:
The current time is: 8:49:13.39
The current date is: Sun 02/07/2021
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On 7.2.2021 8:51, August Abolins wrote:

220 Please enter your user name.
User (trmb.synchro.net:(none)): ogg
331 User name okay, need password.
Password:
230-Ogg logged in.
230-You have 20725760 download credits.
230 You are allowed 546 minutes of use for this session.

dir

Connection closed by remote host.

How about logging in as 'anonymous'?

'Tommi

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Hello tommi # rbb.homeip.net!

** On Sunday 07.02.21 - 17:18, tommi # rbb.homeip.net wrote to August Abolins:

220 Please enter your user name.
User (trmb.synchro.net:(none)): ogg
331 User name okay, need password.
Password:
230-Ogg logged in.
230-You have 20725760 download credits.
230 You are allowed 546 minutes of use for this session.

dir

Connection closed by remote host.

How about logging in as 'anonymous'?

User (trmb.synchro.net:(none)): anonymous
331 User name okay, give your full e-mail address as password.
Password:
230-Guest logged in.
230-You have 20725760 download credits.
230 You are allowed 1440 minutes of use for this session.

dir

Connection closed by remote host.


Same result, except that I am granted more time for a session as
anonymous. :/

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On 07 Feb 2021, August Abolins said the following...

If anyone has the time I'd be intereted in hearing about
success and/or failure with ftp at trmb.synchro.net.

Still a nogo for me:

Doesn't work for me either when using the windows command line:

open trmb.synchro.net

Connected to trmb.synchro.net.
220-The Rusty MailBox (trmb.synchro.net)
Synchronet FTP Server 3.18c-Linux Ready
220 Please enter your user name.
501 Option not supported.
User (trmb.synchro.net:(none)): anonymous
331 User name okay, give your full e-mail address as password.
Password:
230-Guest logged in.
230-You have 20725760 download credits.
230 You are allowed 1440 minutes of use for this session.

ls

200 PORT Command successful.
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls.

It just hangs at that last line forever.

It DOES work for me on the same machine when using FileZilla. A quick Google search says that the Windows ftp command line client only uses active mode whereas other clients such as FileZilla & WinSCP offer passive mode.

My guess is that my router doesn't support active FTP transfers, which I believe is quite common behind NAT.


Maybe try FileZilla on the same machine and see if it's the same for you?

https://filezilla-project.org


Jay

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Hello Alan!

*** Saturday 06.02.21 at 20:02:26, Alan Ianson wrote to August Abolins:

Can anyone succeed in getting a DIR listing after ftp'ing into
trmb.synchro.net?

Indeed, I just added a setting to my sbbs.ini that I am hoping will make my ftp site more accessible. It has been working for some and not for others.

If anyone has the time I'd be intereted in hearing about success and/or failure with ftp at trmb.synchro.net.

I use Total Commander for ftp and after much fiddling around with the Total Commander settings for your site, I managed to get on and get a directory listing. However, navigating the directories was somewhat hit and miss and I didn't actually manage to download anything. I can send you a logfile for an ftp session if that might help.

Regards,
Martin

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Re: ftp> open trmb.synchro.net
By: August Abolins to Alan Ianson on Sun Feb 07 2021 08:51 am

If anyone has the time I'd be intereted in hearing about
success and/or failure with ftp at trmb.synchro.net.

I don't know what the solution is, I hope a compatible server/client can be found.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: ftp> open trmb.synchro.net
By: Martin Foster to Alan Ianson on Sun Feb 07 2021 11:40 am

I use Total Commander for ftp and after much fiddling around with the Total Commander settings for your site, I managed to get on and get a directory listing. However, navigating the directories was somewhat hit and miss and I didn't actually manage to download anything. I can send you a logfile for an ftp session if that might help.

Please do send it over and I'll do my best to get to a solution, if I can figure out the problem/solution.

The more info I have, the more likely I can move this forward.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan!

*** Sunday 07.02.21 at 16:31, Alan Ianson wrote to Martin Foster:

I use Total Commander for ftp and after much fiddling around with the
Total Commander settings for your site, I managed to get on and get a
directory listing. However, navigating the directories was somewhat hit
and miss and I didn't actually manage to download anything. I can send
you a logfile for an ftp session if that might help.

Please do send it over and I'll do my best to get to a solution, if I can figure out the problem/solution.

I've just fired up the Win10 command line version of ftp and I had no problems whatsover with your site. Everything went as sweet as a nut, including d/loading a couple of files.

So, it's obviously a Total Commander related problem at my end but what
that the problem is, is anyone's guess. Do you still want the logfile?

Regards,
Martin

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Re: ftp> open trmb.synchro.net
By: Martin Foster to Alan Ianson on Mon Feb 08 2021 10:35 am

I've just fired up the Win10 command line version of ftp and I had no problems whatsover with your site. Everything went as sweet as a nut, including d/loading a couple of files.

Excellent, that's good news.

So, it's obviously a Total Commander related problem at my end but what that the problem is, is anyone's guess.

Yeah, I think there are problems. The trick is to find a client that can work with the server.

Do you still want the logfile?

No, that's good, thanks for checking.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan Ianson!

** On Monday 08.02.21 - 03:33, Alan Ianson wrote to Martin Foster:

I've just fired up the Win10 command line version of ftp
and I had no problems whatsover with your site. Everything
went as sweet as a nut, including d/loading a couple of
files.

Excellent, that's good news.

So, it's obviously a Total Commander related problem at my end but what
that the problem is, is anyone's guess.

Yeah, I think there are problems. The trick is to find a client that can work with the server.

BTW.. I just tried it with Win7(64)'s CL version of ftp. It
works. That would be fine when I need to just get the trmb.qwk
file after a proper login.

ftp trmb.synchro.net

Connected to trmb.synchro.net.
220-The Rusty MailBox (trmb.synchro.net)
Synchronet FTP Server 3.18c-Linux Ready
220 Please enter your user name.
User (trmb.synchro.net:(none)): anonymous
331 User name okay, give your full e-mail address as password.
Password:
230-Guest logged in.
230-You have 20725760 download credits.
230 You are allowed 1440 minutes of use for this session.

dir

200 PORT Command successful.
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls.
-r--r--r-- 1 trmb trmb 512 Feb 8 03:55 00index -r--r--r-- 1 trmb trmb 10240 Feb 8 03:55 trmb.qwk dr-xr-xr-x 1 trmb trmb 512 Feb 8 03:55 local
dr-xr-xr-x 1 trmb trmb 512 Feb 8 03:55 bbs
dr-xr-xr-x 1 trmb trmb 512 Feb 8 03:55 fsxnet dr-xr-xr-x 1 trmb trmb 512 Feb 8 03:55 fidonet dr-xr-xr-x 1 trmb trmb 512 Feb 8 03:55 gfd
226 Download complete (988 cps).
ftp: 494 bytes received in 0.01Seconds 98.80Kbytes/sec.


BUT.. I'd wish I could find a solution from my WinXP pc. The
Win7(64) pc is 8km away from home.
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Re: ftp> open trmb.synchro.net
By: August Abolins to Alan Ianson on Mon Feb 08 2021 07:06 am

BUT.. I'd wish I could find a solution from my WinXP pc. The
Win7(64) pc is 8km away from home.

I do too, but I don't know what might work better there.

The CLI ftp.exe on XP doesn't work?

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan Ianson!

** On Monday 08.02.21 - 04:14, Alan Ianson wrote to August Abolins:

The CLI ftp.exe on XP doesn't work?

No. :( See my message: MID: 1:153/757.21@fidonet ed363bd9

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Hello Jay Harris!

** On Sunday 07.02.21 - 12:04, Jay Harris wrote to August Abolins:

Doesn't work for me either when using the windows command line:

open trmb.synchro.net

Connected to trmb.synchro.net.
220-The Rusty MailBox (trmb.synchro.net)

[...]

ls

200 PORT Command successful.
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls.

It just hangs at that last line forever.

That's interesting.

Maybe try FileZilla on the same machine and see if it's the
same for you?

https://filezilla-project.org

FileZilla is a staple prog here for many years. It just doesn't
seem to want to work with TRMB BBS.

Meanwhile, I just learned that the CLI version of ftp doesn't
work with TRMB from my Win7(64) laptop at home. SO... this
indeed is a mystery to me 'cuz I don't have a problem using
FileZilla or CLI ftp with other servers.

My solution will be this: configure my remote Win7(64) desktop
pc to "get trmb.qwk" and then either "put trmb.qwk" to an ftp
server that I can access from my XP pc, or email the file from a
script.
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On 08 Feb 2021, August Abolins said the following...

My solution will be this: configure my remote Win7(64) desktop
pc to "get trmb.qwk" and then either "put trmb.qwk" to an ftp
server that I can access from my XP pc, or email the file from a
script.

WinSCP has some good scripting functions. In another life I used WinSCP to download some label files from one of our transportation partners. When a label file appeared in a certain directory another program sprang to life and printed it automatically on one of our label printers.

Previous to that the guys back in logistics had to manually download those files and print them.


Jay

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Re: ftp> open trmb.synchro.net
By: Martin Foster to Alan Ianson on Mon Feb 08 2021 10:35 am

So, it's obviously a Total Commander related problem at my end but what
that the problem is, is anyone's guess.

My guess: "active" versus "passive" FTP. The Windows command-line FTP client (ftp.exe) does not support passive FTP mode (active mode only).

Most modern FTP clients (including web browsers that still support FTP), use passive FTP mode by default.
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Re: ftp> open trmb.synchro.net
By: August Abolins to Jay Harris on Mon Feb 08 2021 09:31 am

FileZilla is a staple prog here for many years. It just doesn't
seem to want to work with TRMB BBS.

Try configuring to use "active" FTP mode, not passive.
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Hello Rob Swindell!

** On Thursday 11.02.21 - 20:52, Rob Swindell wrote to August Abolins:

Try configuring to use "active" FTP mode, not passive.
--

When set to Active, as per:

URL: https://susepaste.org/61025143

..the result is:

Status: Resolving address of trmb.synchro.net
Status: Connecting to 104.246.155.40:21...
Status: Connection established, waiting for welcome message...
Response: 220-The Rusty MailBox (trmb.synchro.net)
Response: Synchronet FTP Server 3.18c-Linux Ready
Response: 220 Please enter your user name.
Command: USER Ogg
Response: 331 User name okay, need password.
Command: PASS ********
Response: 230-Ogg logged in.
Response: 230-You have 20725760 download credits.
Response: 230 You are allowed 546 minutes of use for this session. Command: SYST
Response: 215 UNIX Type: L8
Command: FEAT
Response: 211-The following additional (post-RFC949) features are supported:
Response: DESC
Response: MDTM
Response: SIZE
Response: REST STREAM
Response: AUTH TLS
Response: PBSZ
Response: PROT
Response: MLST Type*;Perm*;Size*;Modify*;UNIX.ownername*;Unique*;Create* Response: TVFS
Response: 211 End
Status: Server does not support non-ASCII characters.
Status: Connected
Status: Retrieving directory listing...
Command: PWD
Response: 257 "/" is current directory.
Command: TYPE I
Response: 200 All files sent in BINARY mode.
Command: PORT 192,168,0,2,13,68
Error: Disconnected from server: ECONNABORTED - Connection aborted
Error: Failed to retrieve directory listing

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Hello Rob!

*** Thursday 11.02.21 at 20:51, Rob Swindell wrote to Martin Foster:

So, it's obviously a Total Commander related problem at my end but what
that the problem is, is anyone's guess.

My guess: "active" versus "passive" FTP. The Windows command-line FTP client (ftp.exe) does not support passive FTP mode (active mode only).

Most modern FTP clients (including web browsers that still support FTP), use passive FTP mode by default.

Total Commander's ftp client uses passive mode by default but it can be disabled. When enabled, I don't get very far into the ftp session before
the connection drops. When disabled, I can get as far as getting a
directory listing but changing directories is very hit 'n miss and usually ends up with a connection drop.

However, as I said in an earlier post, the Win10 command line version of 'ftp' performs as sweet as a nut.

Regards,
Martin

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Re: ftp> open trmb.synchro.net
By: August Abolins to Rob Swindell on Fri Feb 12 2021 01:39 am

Hello Rob Swindell!

** On Thursday 11.02.21 - 20:52, Rob Swindell wrote to August Abolins:

Try configuring to use "active" FTP mode, not passive.
--

When set to Active, as per:

If you're saying Active doesn't work, try Passive instead.
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Hello Rob Swindell!

** On Friday 12.02.21 - 16:33, Rob Swindell wrote to August Abolins:

Try configuring to use "active" FTP mode, not passive.
--

When set to Active, as per:

If you're saying Active doesn't work, try Passive instead.
--

It fails with a slightly different error message on Passive too:

Response: 220 Please enter your user name.
Command: USER Ogg
Response: 331 User name okay, need password.
Command: PASS ********
Response: 230-Ogg logged in.
Response: 230-You have 20725760 download credits.
Response: 230 You are allowed 546 minutes of use for this session. Command: SYST
Response: 215 UNIX Type: L8
Command: FEAT
Response: 211-The following additional (post-RFC949) features are supported:
Response: DESC
Response: MDTM
Response: SIZE
Response: REST STREAM
Response: AUTH TLS
Response: PBSZ
Response: PROT
Response: MLST Type*;Perm*;Size*;Modify*;UNIX.ownername*;Unique*;Create* Response: TVFS
Response: 211 End
Status: Server does not support non-ASCII characters.
Status: Connected
Status: Retrieving directory listing...
Command: PWD
Response: 257 "/" is current directory.
Command: TYPE I
Response: 200 All files sent in BINARY mode.
Command: PASV
Error: Connection timed out
Error: Failed to retrieve directory listing

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Re: ftp> open trmb.synchro.net
By: August Abolins to Rob Swindell on Fri Feb 12 2021 07:45 pm

If you're saying Active doesn't work, try Passive instead.
--

It fails with a slightly different error message on Passive too:

Ah, then I have no idea. :-)
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Re: ftp> open trmb.synchro.net
By: August Abolins to Rob Swindell on Fri Feb 12 2021 01:39 am

Command:PORT 192,168,0,2,13,68

That is different than what I see. 192.168.*.* is a lan address?

This is what I see here..

ls

227 Entering Passive Mode (104,246,155,40,4,0)
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls
-r--r--r-- 1 trmb trmb 512 Feb 13 00:33 00index

and it completes as expected.

I suspect that this is a hardware, rather than configuration issue.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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