"smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

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On 17.10.2019 21:43, Tommi Koivula wrote:

"smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

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On 17.10.2019 21:43, Tommi Koivula wrote:

"smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

I don't see any major problems with "smartquote" and "def_showto on". I thought
"smartquote" is independet from def_show and it should make no difference if def_show is on or off.



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Hi! Tommi,

On 10/18/2019 04:44 AM, you wrote to yourself:

On 17.10.2019 21:43, Tommi Koivula wrote:

"smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

Maybe you two should consider meeting in private somewhere. 8-)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Oliver Thuns - Tommi Koivula wrote:

 TK>> On 17.10.2019 21:43, Tommi Koivula wrote:

 TK>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

I don't see any major problems with "smartquote" and "def_showto on". I thought "smartquote" is independet from def_show and it should make no difference if def_show is on or off.

Sometimes it works ok, sometimes it does not. :)

When there is a from line "Oliver Thuns - Tommi Koivula", smartquote may
take initials O and K. First name Oliver, last name Koivula.

I have now both these settings on. Let's see.

'Tommi

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Hi! Tommi,

On 10/18/2019 04:44 AM, you wrote to yourself:

 TK>> On 17.10.2019 21:43, Tommi Koivula wrote:

 TK>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

Maybe you two should consider meeting in private somewhere.  8-)

You are invited too. :D

'Tommi

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Hi Tommi,

On 2019-10-18 12:24:46, you wrote to Oliver Thuns:

 TK>>> On 17.10.2019 21:43, Tommi Koivula wrote:

 TK>>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

There seem to be some UTF characters infront of the TK>>> in above lines. They weren't in the message you replied to...

Sometimes it works ok, sometimes it does not. :)

Indeed. ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Oliver Thuns - Tommi Koivula wrote:

 TK>>> On 17.10.2019 21:43, Tommi Koivula wrote:

 TK>>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

I don't see any major problems with "smartquote" and "def_showto
on". I thought "smartquote" is independet from def_show and it
should make no difference if def_show is on or off.

Sometimes it works ok, sometimes it does not. :)

When there is a from line "Oliver Thuns - Tommi Koivula", smartquote
may take initials O and K. First name Oliver, last name Koivula.

I thought it gets the name from the referenced message.

I have now both these settings on. Let's see.

Looks good.
It should strip the whitespaces before the quotes though (if there are more than one)



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On 18.10.2019 11:34, Oliver Thuns - Tommi Koivula wrote:

 TK> I have now both these settings on. Let's see.

Looks good. It should strip the whitespaces before the quotes though
(if there are more than one)

In my opinion it should not modify the message after the user posts it.

I think it is now a good time to start the weekend and let the smartquote be off. ;)

'Tommi

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On 18.10.2019 11:39, Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

  TK>>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

There seem to be some UTF characters infront of the TK>>> in above lines.

They weren't in the message you replied to...

Ok.. I believe it is not a good idea to let jamnntpd modify utf-8 messages after posting. Or any messages. :)

 TK> Sometimes it works ok, sometimes it does not. :)

Indeed. ;)

I think I keep the smartquote off, like I decided a long time ago. :)

'Tommi

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Hi Tommi,

On 2019-10-18 15:00:00, you wrote to me:

  TK>>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

There seem to be some UTF characters infront of the TK>>> in above lines.
They weren't in the message you replied to...

Ok.. I believe it is not a good idea to let jamnntpd modify utf-8 messages after posting. Or any messages. :)

 TK> Sometimes it works ok, sometimes it does not. :)

Indeed. ;)

I think I keep the smartquote off, like I decided a long time ago. :)

If you already did for this message, there were still added UTF-8 characters...

Bye, Wilfred.

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>> ÿTK> Sometimes it works ok, sometimes it does not. :)
>>
>> Indeed. ;)

TK> I think I keep the smartquote off, like I decided a long time ago. :)

If you already did for this message, there were still added UTF-8

characters...

I did. Hmm.. Maybe because these messages are replies to replies to replies....(?)

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Hi Tommi,

On 2019-10-18 15:33:34, you wrote to me:

>> ÿTK> Sometimes it works ok, sometimes it does not. :)
>>
>> Indeed. ;)

TK> I think I keep the smartquote off, like I decided a long time ago.
:)

If you already did for this message, there were still added UTF-8
characters...

I did. Hmm.. Maybe because these messages are replies to replies to replies....(?)

No, there were extra...

Bye, Wilfred.

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On 18.10.19 14:00, Tommi Koivula -> Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

On 18.10.2019 11:39, Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

  TK>>>>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

There seem to be some UTF characters infront of the TK>>> in above

lines. They weren't in the message you replied to...

Ok.. I believe it is not a good idea to let jamnntpd modify utf-8 messages

after posting. Or any messages. :)

I never saw these UTF-8 characters in the GoldEd or Thunderbird before, but I see them in Thunderbird's source view now. I wonder why nobody complained before. I hope it can be fixed easily, I really like the smartquote option.

X-JAM-PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux-Pi/IPv6 1.3 20191018

Where can I get that version?

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Oli - Tommi Koivula <47@464.280.2> wrote:

On 18.10.19 14:00, Tommi Koivula -> Wilfred van Velzen wrote:
TK> On 18.10.2019 11:39, Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

ÿÿTK>>>>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

Ok, It is not the problem with smartquote, it is a "feature" of "def_showto on"
and how newsclient uses the From: field. As you can see, this news client thinks your initials are OTK.

Ok.. I believe it is not a good idea to let jamnntpd modify utf-8

messages after posting. Or any messages. :)

I never saw these UTF-8 characters in the GoldEd or Thunderbird before, but I see them in Thunderbird's source view now. I wonder why nobody complained before. I hope it can be fixed easily, I really like the smartquote option.

If you cannot see the incorrect utf-8 characters, it is hard to complain. ;)

TK> X-JAM-PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux-Pi/IPv6 1.3 20191018

Where can I get that version?

You cant. Well, at least not yet. It is my test version based on smapinntpd 1.1, with known jamnntpd bugs hopefully fixed.

'Tommi

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Ok, It is not the problem with smartquote, it is a "feature" of "def_showto on" and how newsclient uses the From: field. As you can
see, this news client thinks your initials are OTK.

Which news client supports the FL> quoting style? I only use smartquote, because Thunderbird uses ">" for quotes.

I never saw these UTF-8 characters in the GoldEd or Thunderbird
before, but I see them in Thunderbird's source view now. I wonder
why nobody complained before. I hope it can be fixed easily, I
really like the smartquote option.

If you cannot see the incorrect utf-8 characters, it is hard to
complain. ;)

Right. I thought if Wilfred saw it, maybe others spotted it too.

TK> X-JAM-PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux-Pi/IPv6 1.3 20191018

Where can I get that version?

You cant. Well, at least not yet. It is my test version based on smapinntpd 1.1, with known jamnntpd bugs hopefully fixed.

"Release early, release often" ;)

It's nice that someone is working on smapinntps. Have you added the newer changes from jamnntpd 1.3 too?


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TK> Ok, It is not the problem with smartquote, it is a "feature" of
TK> "def_showto on" and how newsclient uses the From: field. As you can
TK> see, this news client thinks your initials are OTK.

Which news client supports the FL> quoting style? I only use smartquote, because Thunderbird uses ">" for quotes.

This Sylpheed supports ftn style quoting, I set up the quote string as "%I> ", and now it is working just fine.

Also in HotDogEd (Android news reader) it is possible to set the quoting to "FTN". It however won't work ok if "def_showto on" is set in jamnntpd. :(

TK> If you cannot see the incorrect utf-8 characters, it is hard to
TK> complain. ;)

Right. I thought if Wilfred saw it, maybe others spotted it too.

Well, Wilfred is The Police of Everything FTN related. And I like it! :D

OTK>> TK> X-JAM-PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux-Pi/IPv6 1.3 20191018
OTK>>
OTK>> Where can I get that version?

TK> You cant. Well, at least not yet. It is my test version based on
TK> smapinntpd 1.1, with known jamnntpd bugs hopefully fixed.

"Release early, release often" ;)

It's nice that someone is working on smapinntps. Have you added the
newer changes from jamnntpd 1.3 too?

I think so. But I am no real C programmer, I still have much to learn.

'Tommi

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TK> Ok, It is not the problem with smartquote, it is a
TK> "feature" of "def_showto on" and how newsclient uses the
TK> From: field. As you can see, this news client thinks your
TK> initials are OTK.

Which news client supports the FL> quoting style? I only use smartquote, because Thunderbird uses ">" for quotes.

This Sylpheed supports ftn style quoting, I set up the quote string
as "%I> ", and now it is working just fine.

I've installed Claws Mail (fork of Sylpheed), which has the same feature. It's not really proper FTN style quoting though. For the first reply level it's fine, but then it gets messy


instead of

Until there is no dedicated plugin for FTN quotes, smartquote is the best option (IMHO).

Well, Wilfred is The Police of Everything FTN related. And I like
it! :D

I know ;)

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