I have a very old Distro of Ubuntu, I can't update it because it will break certain compiled programs from way back. Don't really have enough room for a dual boot system.
Does anyone know of a light Browser that has all the SSL built in?? Or way to get a Binary of one. This one is kicking my but trying to find something that I can compile or
run on a old distro. Most Web-Sites give SSL errors.. Haven't been able to get any SSL updates to take either.. But I really think it's all in the browser.

Has anyone had problems with SSL on older systems?? Good look trying to get into irc.freenode.net they got taken over and deleted a bunch of accounts mine was one
of the firsts, almost 18 year old account and was deleted and added a layer of SSL making it a bitch to login with any older systems.. They want to lean more towards APPS and
cell phones and HTTP.. They have killed the old school command line clients..

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Hey Brad!

They have killed the old school command line clients

That happened ages ago. Here is something that might be of interest;

# ldd /usr/bin/lynx
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007fffe8ef4000)
libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0x00007f65f8882000)
libbz2.so.1.0 => /lib/libbz2.so.1.0 (0x00007f65f886f000)
libncursesw.so.6 => /lib/libncursesw.so.6 (0x00007f65f8814000)
libssl.so.1.1 => /usr/lib/libssl.so.1.1 (0x00007f65f8793000)
libcrypto.so.1.1 => /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.1.1 (0x00007f65f850e000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00007f65f8388000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f65f8381000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f65f8364000)
/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f65f8899000)

# file /usr/bin/lynx
/usr/bin/lynx: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 4.4.0, stripped

# lynx -version
Lynx Version 2.8.9rel.1 (08 Jul 2018)
libwww-FM 2.14, SSL-MM 1.4.1, OpenSSL 1.1.1l, ncurses 6.2.20200212(wide)
Built on linux-gnu (Aug 28 2021 06:12:20).

Copyrights held by the Lynx Developers Group,
the University of Kansas, CERN, and other contributors.
Distributed under the GNU General Public License (Version 2).
See https://lynx.invisible-island.net/ and the online help for more information.

See http://www.openssl.org/ for information about OpenSSL.

Not exactly backwards compatible but it most definetly is an old school commandline client if there ever was one. I've been using it for around 30 years now on a wide variety of platforms.

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Maurice

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Brad Hansen wrote to All <=-

I have a very old Distro of Ubuntu, I can't update it because it will break certain compiled programs from way back. Don't really have enough room for a dual boot system. Does anyone know of a light Browser that
has all the SSL built in?? Or way to get a Binary of one. This one is kicking my but trying to find something that I can compile or run on a
old distro. Most Web-Sites give SSL errors.. Haven't been able to get
any SSL updates to take either.. But I really think it's all in the browser.

It's working fine for me, but I am using the current version of Ubuntu.


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Good ${greeting_time}, Brad!

28 Aug 2021 16:00:22, you wrote to All:

I have a very old Distro of Ubuntu, I can't update it because it
will break certain compiled programs from way back.

What prevents just recompiling these programs? On better systems, that may be done with a single run of rpmbuild. On really good systems, the packages are rebuilt in a clean fresh-installed environment from a git tag to the binary archive (.rpm) with one single command.

Don't really have enough room for a dual boot system. Does anyone
know of a light Browser that has all the SSL built in??

There's only one real browser, and it could be rebuilt that way. Also, it's possible to keep several versions of OpenSSL (libcrypto+libssl) in one system simultaneously (0.9, 1.0, 1.1.0 and 1.1.1).

Or way to get a Binary of one.

Build it. However, deb-based systems are very unfriendly in that.

This one is kicking my but trying to find something that I can
compile or run on a old distro.

You may compile anything.

Most Web-Sites give SSL errors.. Haven't been able to get any SSL
updates to take either.. But I really think it's all in the browser.

No: browsers are linked against libcrypto+libssl.

Has anyone had problems with SSL on older systems??

With regularly updated OpenSSL - never.

Now I'm writing this message from a system installed ca. 2006 and only updated since that date.

Good look trying to get into irc.freenode.net they got taken over and deleted a bunch of accounts mine was one of the firsts, almost 18 year
old account and was deleted

Deleting inactive users is normal.

and added a layer of SSL making it a bitch to login with any older systems..

OpenSSL 1.1.0 was released in 2016 (5 years ago). OpenSSL 1.1.1 (actual) was released in 2018 (3 years ago).

You had a plenty of time to update your system.

They want to lean more towards APPS and cell phones and HTTP.. They
have killed the old school command line clients..

No: that was you who killed your pretty system.


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Hi Brad,

On 2021-08-28 16:00:22, you wrote to All:

I have a very old Distro of Ubuntu, I can't update it because it will break certain compiled programs from way back. Don't really have
enough room for a dual boot system. Does anyone know of a light
Browser that has all the SSL built in?? Or way to get a Binary of
one. This one is kicking my but trying to find something that I can compile or run on a old distro. Most Web-Sites give SSL errors..
Haven't been able to get any SSL updates to take either.. But I really think it's all in the browser.

Not exactly light weight, but you could try if it works for you. Mozilla/Firefox provides a linux binary of their latest version, that you could download and install.

I'm using it too on this older openSUSE from 2015, because the distro provided older Firefox, was giving me trouble connecting to a lot of websites (like those of banks), that wouldn't accept the older browser anymore...


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Re: Old Distro Broken Browser
By: Brad Hansen to All on Sat Aug 28 2021 04:00 pm

I have a very old Distro of Ubuntu, I can't update it because it will break certain compiled programs from way back. Don't really have enough room for a dual boot system.
Does anyone know of a light Browser that has all the SSL built in?? Or way get a Binary of one. This one is kicking my but trying to find something th I can compile or
run on a old distro. Most Web-Sites give SSL errors.. Haven't been able to any SSL updates to take either.. But I really think it's all in the browser.

How old are we talking about?

Mzilla offers precompiled statically linked binaries for their Firefox browser. You may download the tarball, uncompress it anywhere in your home and launch it from there. It has most of its libraries included.

It won't work if the distribution is really old, but maybe it is worth a try.


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Hello Brad!

28 Aug 21, Brad Hansen wrote to All:

I have a very old Distro of Ubuntu,
Most Web-Sites give SSL errors..

For good reason.

Has anyone had problems with SSL on older systems??

You should be more detailed. At first you talked about old distro, now we are talking about old systems. The first is software, the second is hardware and software in my understanding.

to get into irc.freenode.net they got taken over and deleted a bunch
of accounts mine was one of the firsts, almost 18 year old account and
was deleted

They have killed the old school command line clients..

No, you died due to ageing. Nothing lasts forever.
You can stop but the world will move on.

I don't see how we could be helpful. If you have an old computer a virtual machine would not be working. I put an old windows95 programm into a VirtualBox VM and it sill works well but it doesn't need to be online.

To keep in touch with online services you need to update to supported protocols. The only option i see if you have really no other option to migrate your system is a gateway server that can talk to the actual world with the latest security protocols and translates the data to the outdated ex-standards.

Regards

Kai

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Hello Brad!

28 Aug 2021 16:00, Brad Hansen wrote to All:

I have a very old Distro of Ubuntu, I can't update it because it will break certain compiled programs from way back. Don't really have
enough room for a dual boot system.

google dist-update ubuntu, and after all deb files is updated, you can after that compile things from source

should not be a problem at all, dont fokus on recompile from source, this will for ever be a blocker


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Re: Old Distro Broken Browser
By: Alexey Vissarionov to Brad Hansen on Sun Aug 29 2021 11:55 am

AV What prevents just recompiling these programs? On better systems, that may be done with a single run of rpmbuild. On really good systems, the packages are rebuilt in a clean

Think about it.. most major changes installs want 2 things - apt update and apt upgrade then pull in your browser.
Kind of hard to do if your current system relies on your current libraries.

It's retro old stuff not availiable on internet built to specfic so lib
My memory is not like it used to be.. You ever spend hours on a project and think to yourself
how did I do that.. Or type so much stuff you really don't rememeber what you did. It just
started working and you wowed yourself but really didn't take any notes....

It's a Ubuntu Linux Server.
It's Vintage Computing, Like this BBS your on.
I get that, an update to what's out would fix it.
Linux Runs fine on my VM..no problems my Vintage stuff will not run on a updated distro.

I was asking, is there any Browsers that have SSL lib built in that don't rely on updated system files or kernel.

AV fresh-installed environment from a git tag to the binary archive (.rpm) with one single command.

Tried that like you said it is built against the libssl, won't let me update because it wants to
update the whole system. I have tried to update SSL. you can make a mess out of it by not using apt,
I am running stuff I compiled from way back that my Vintage Game Server uses, it is far more important.
updates will break everything. running apt-get upgrade would make it far worse.
Most of it that is server releated runs better then a modern current release of 20.04 I have 2 VM's of the
most current version. Even doing updates, still breaks stuff. Akonadi server was common to break after an update.

AV There's only one real browser, and it could be rebuilt that way. Also, it's possible to keep several versions of OpenSSL (libcrypto+libssl) in one system simultaneously (0.9, 1.0, 1.1.0

and 1.1.1).


I'm not sure how that works against a way older kernel.

Build it. However, deb-based systems are very unfriendly in that.

Your not kidding...

No: browsers are linked against libcrypto+libssl.

I get that.. The only real fix is to update to latest release.

Again, Breaks stuff.

With regularly updated OpenSSL - never.

Good look trying to get into irc.freenode.net they got taken over and deleted a bunch of accounts mine was one of the firsts, almost 18 year
old account and was deleted

Apparently you haven't been on irc.freenode.net they have new owners and deleted every single user account and all channels forcing you to reregister and use SSL..
My account went back to when IRC started and probably log onto IRC more then you. It was everybody. And they went to a SSL Key exchange system.
It's not that default linux server you log into.
Again, killing old outdated systems.. starting with non current SSL.

Deleting inactive users is normal.

You had a plenty of time to update your system.
No: that was you who killed your pretty system.

Yeah, I proably should have been updating to the most current stuff to protect me, from me.
Face it most updates are there to protect flaws.
I bet my Older Server does more stuff correctly and easily then your most modern updated one.
Updates tend to change how things are configured that your used to doing.


Yup - Again making IRC compatiable with Mobile users and getting rid of the need to /msg NickServ identify was the main goal.
The Old school way of /msg NickServ on freenode is gone. Again.. Any Older Vintage Computer is done logging into IRC. Until you install
the latest.
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