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So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their daily use?
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So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their daily
use?
As a server, I do - but pretty much exclusively with docker now.
Hmmm... I don't much particularly like docker so much. I sort of liked the idea of it when they were still using lxc concepts with it, but when they switched to libcontainer, that... That pretty much ended it for me for anything security-minded. Reliability minded too, actually.
On 07-25-19 00:19, Eric Renfro wrote to All <=-
This echo is too quiet!
So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their daily
use? I've been doing so for over 20 years now, through thick and thin, distro to distro, and not really distro hopping so much as changing distros every now and then when certain issues arrise, or wanting to
try something different for a while, and end up liking or not liking depending.
Right now, I have a mixed setup between Xubuntu on my laptop (Mostly secondary computer), and Linux Mint on my primary desktop, however I'm going to be switching Mint to Xubuntu or Fedora. Still not sure.
On 07-25-19 15:52, Deon George wrote to Eric Renfro <=-
Re: Linux Daily?
By: Eric Renfro to All on Thu Jul 25 2019 12:19 am
This echo is too quiet!
It is!
So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their daily use?
As a server, I do - but pretty much exclusively with docker now.
So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their daily use?
Right now, I have a mixed setup between Xubuntu on my laptop (Mostly secondary computer), and Linux Mint on my primary desktop, however I'm going to be switching Mint to Xubuntu or Fedora. Still not sure.
This echo is too quiet!
So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their daily
use? I've been doing so for over 20 years now, through thick and thin, distro to distro, and not really distro hopping so much as changing
distros every now and then when certain issues arrise, or wanting to
try something different for a while, and end up liking or not liking depending.
Oh, for servers, I run exclusively Linux. Desktop is Windows and
Linux side by side, with a Lubuntu Linux netbook for travel, which is perfect for mobile BBSing. :)
On 07-25-19 21:28, Paul Quinn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Lubuntu runs nicely in a VirtualBox too. Imagine: a Ubuntu GUI running
in less than 1Gb RAM. Whoo!hoo!
Eric Renfro wrote to All <=-
This echo is too quiet!
So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their
daily use? I've been doing so for over 20 years now, through
thick and thin, distro to distro, and not really distro hopping
so much as changing distros every now and then when certain
issues arrise, or wanting to try something different for a while,
and end up liking or not liking depending.
Right now, I have a mixed setup between Xubuntu on my laptop
(Mostly secondary computer), and Linux Mint on my primary
desktop, however I'm going to be switching Mint to Xubuntu or
Fedora. Still not sure.
So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their daily use? I've >been doing so for over 20 years now, through thick and thin, distro to distro, >and not really distro hopping so much as changing distros every now and then >when certain issues arrise, or wanting to try something different for a while, >and end up liking or not liking depending.
Hmmm... I don't much particularly like docker so much. I sort of liked
the idea of it when they were still using lxc concepts with it, but
when they switched to libcontainer, that... That pretty much ended it
for me for anything security-minded. Reliability minded too, actually.
Oh, that's a shame.
I'm a huge fan of docker. I like how I can shift stuff around fairly easily, and that I can seperate data (aligned with a specific version of an app) to an application container (of a specific version). It makes it easy to shelve stuff and revive it later (or backout of a failed upgrade fairly easily).
I too develop, on my MAC, so its no effort to get a container running on it, then using that same container on the (production) linux system.
So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their daily
use? I've been doing so for over 20 years now, through thick and
thin, distro to distro, and not really distro hopping so much as
changing distros every now and then when certain issues arrise, or
wanting to try something different for a while, and end up liking or
not liking depending.
I have at times, but the truth is that some tasks work better on Windows, some work better on Linux, so I run both side by side. Currently, since they're not in the same place, I'm running the Linux apps remotely via an X server on Windows.
Right now, I have a mixed setup between Xubuntu on my laptop (Mostly
secondary computer), and Linux Mint on my primary desktop, however
I'm going to be switching Mint to Xubuntu or Fedora. Still not sure.
My Linux desktop runs Mint.
So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their daily
use?
I do. Started with Yggdrasil, but really started with first SLS and
then Slackware. So I probably started in 1993/94.
Somebody at work had downloaded the six or eight SLS floppies.
My last MS systems were Vista and XT, that came preinstalled on a Laptops.
Debian and Raspbian here, with some Ubuntu on Laptops, because of less stringent use of propriatory software for drivers.
It is all Debian based, wich makes you feel at home on all systems.
Apart from one all mainly run headless, installing distributions, with extra emphasis on the user interface, on headless servers, is futile.
I use only Linux, other than a work laptop that I'm required to
run Win10 on. A little past the 20 year point too. First ever
install was Slackware (or maybe SLS, can't remember) from
floppies... Eventually Redhat when it was still free, then
Mandrake for a while. Back to Slackware around 2002 or so, and
been there ever since. I do play around with other distros and am familiar with most of them, but Slackware remains my primary (on a
Lenovo laptop). I also have a few RPi's doing various things,
mostly running stock Raspbian. The BBS runs on a seperate small
form factor Dell, also running Slackware.
At work they are still stuck on windows but all of my home machines have some form of debian on them. My laptop and server are debian proper, while the two BBS SBCs are ubilinux and raspbian.
On 07-26-19 02:28, Eric Renfro wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I cannot think of a single thing where one actually does something "better" than the other, in any way.
Yeah, I dread the infernal upgrade process which I've heard has been notoriously broken many times over. As in, they've historically never
done it right, not like Ubuntu LTS->LTS, or Fedora (since dnf), and of course Debian.
But, my reasons for using Linux Mint are pretty much ended when
Cinnamon started showing me ghosted taskbar items on the taskbar of my secondary display, and the only resolution to solving it was... Logout
and back in again. It's very similar to the reason I left KDE, after having used KDE since pre 1.0 days, all the way through 5.x.
On 07-26-19 02:34, Eric Renfro wrote to Kees van Eeten <=-
Wow.. Now THAT's a distro I haven't heard a lot of people use. ;) I actually started Linux with SLS, when it was still new. Later went on
to Slackware, then I moved into Yggdrasil, and loved the heck out of
it. ;)
Eric Renfro wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I use only Linux, other than a work laptop that I'm required to
run Win10 on. A little past the 20 year point too. First ever
install was Slackware (or maybe SLS, can't remember) from
floppies... Eventually Redhat when it was still free, then
Mandrake for a while. Back to Slackware around 2002 or so, and
been there ever since. I do play around with other distros and am
familiar with most of them, but Slackware remains my primary (on a
Lenovo laptop). I also have a few RPi's doing various things,
mostly running stock Raspbian. The BBS runs on a seperate small
form factor Dell, also running Slackware.
Heh. I've actually turned down working for companies, because I
always ask one question during an interview. "Will I ever be
required to run, operate, configure, manage, or even so much as
touch a Windows Desktop, or Windows Server" And "Can I get an
actual Linux oriented Workstation?" And I don't mean a PC with
Linux on it, I mean an actual workstation. :)
Slackware never really left me with good feelings. I don't like
the minimalistic approach to it, especially the, still lacking,
support for Linux-PAM. And the literal dictatorialship of Patrick Volkerding over Slackware is not too intriguing to me either. I
respect the distro, being one of the earlier distros out there
and still being maintained to this day, but that's about where it
ends.. For me anyway.
But, the good thing about Linux is freedom to choose whatever you
want to use, and appreciate it for what it is, and does for you
what you want of it. :)
I cannot think of a single thing where one actually does something
"better" than the other, in any way.
I disagree, some things work better in some environments, others work better in different environments. One big thing for me is a fairly complex installation of Thunderbird definitely works better in a Linux environment, which can be kept clean and simple, without various antimalware products competing for the CPU's attention, every time mail is scanned. Thunderbird and Windows also experience some odd focus changes that aren't commanded by the click of a mouse. No such issues on Linux.
On the other side, a lot of ham radio software still requires a Windoes OS. SOme will run under WINE, but not all of them will work that way.
But, my reasons for using Linux Mint are pretty much ended when
Cinnamon started showing me ghosted taskbar items on the taskbar of
my secondary display, and the only resolution to solving it was...
Hmm, never had that issue at least, not yet.
I started with Yggdrasil (back when 1.2.13 was the latest and greatest kernel).
The version I had was buggy in a few respects, expexially with some of the bundled GUI utilities. I switched to Slackware, which I found very solid, then went to Red Hat (and its descendents) for many years, before moving mainly to Debian and Debian based distros (Mint, Lubuntu, Raspian, etc) in more recent years.
Heh. I've actually turned down working for companies, because I
always ask one question during an interview. "Will I ever be
required to run, operate, configure, manage, or even so much as
touch a Windows Desktop, or Windows Server" And "Can I get an
actual Linux oriented Workstation?" And I don't mean a PC with
Linux on it, I mean an actual workstation. :)
Hehe, nice, unless...... it means you don't get the job. LOL
Well, yes, it doesn't have many of the flashy GUI-configgy things
that are common nowadays, but once you know your way around it's
just as easy. Patrick calls himself a "benevolent dictator". :-)
As far as I know, it is *THE* oldest surviving distro today.
Indeed. The essence of Linux, right there.
Eric Renfro wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Heh. I've actually turned down working for companies, because I
always ask one question during an interview. "Will I ever be
required to run, operate, configure, manage, or even so much as
touch a Windows Desktop, or Windows Server" And "Can I get an
actual Linux oriented Workstation?" And I don't mean a PC with
Linux on it, I mean an actual workstation. :)
Hehe, nice, unless...... it means you don't get the job. LOL
I mean, it does mean that I will actively turn down jobs in
situations like that. But in my case, I can afford to be picky
and specific. I get 5~10 offers for work every week. More during
the prime times of January and July, where lots of companies do
their biggest hiring hunts.
Well, yes, it doesn't have many of the flashy GUI-configgy things
that are common nowadays, but once you know your way around it's
just as easy. Patrick calls himself a "benevolent dictator". :-)
As far as I know, it is *THE* oldest surviving distro today.
Yepperding. All bow to Patrick Volkerding, supre.... Nope. Not
me! LOL. But yes, it is one of the oldest. But then again, So is
Debian, Red Hat Linux, and openSUSE still, runners up from
Slackware at least. openSUSE was originally based on SLS and then
rebased off Slackware.
Indeed. The essence of Linux, right there.
All bow down to Linus Torvalds for a great kernel! That I can do!
:)
On 07-27-19 13:46, Eric Renfro wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Hmmmm... I mean, the imposed requirements of even having to have "antivirus" software specifically is pretty much degrading even the chances of having "better" in the vocabulary at all when it comes to Windows. The fact you have to have something like that constantly
running just to prevent both infection and spreading alone...
Focus changes, minor things, in my book. And that can always vary, even
in Linux, based on what Desktop Environment or window-manager you use.
:)
On the other side, a lot of ham radio software still requires a Windoes OS. SOme will run under WINE, but not all of them will work that way.
Hmm.. Never done HAM stuff, so I can't really comment on that. I have
done nodal networking techniques with various things, and could digress
to say that the difference between HAM packets and other forms of
network packets over radio waves can definitely vary significantly. Especially in security aspects, and since it's over the air, security
is highly important in my book.
But, my reasons for using Linux Mint are pretty much ended when
Cinnamon started showing me ghosted taskbar items on the taskbar of
my secondary display, and the only resolution to solving it was...
Hmm, never had that issue at least, not yet.
For me, it started being a real issue around Cinnamon 4.x, when it
really started to get unstable. I've gone to using my old trusty XFCE which has never let me down. Unlike KDE, Gnome, Cinnamon, and pretty
much everything else to date actually, in terms of DE's.
On 07-27-19 13:54, Eric Renfro wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Heh yeah. It's funny, for me, I hated Red Hat back then. I actually had preferred Debian and actually more than that, I preferred SUSE. I think
ultimately what I'm going to end up with is either sticking hard on Fedora, which I've actually liked since Fedora 18 and up, or with
Xubuntu, which I hate trying to maintain packages for, and do need to
for a small few things (SyncTERM for example)... It really depends. There's a few things I definitely really must have, and that's
reasonably up-to-date browsers, reasonably up-to-date video driver support, moderate printer support (I currently have a semi-modern HP printer which requires a minimum version of hpcups to use it, which was not in Ubuntu 16.04), and some specific programs like zssh. Because, I like my zmodem over ssh, which I miss with not having konsole from KDE.
Now, I'd mentioned SUSE, but not in current days. openSUSE has let me
down way too much in the later years. With a lot of their dirty little hacks, like their "Druid" replacement for virt-manager's VM "Wizard", which they only fairly recently finally removed after all these years. Their default setup for open-files limit which breaks any modern
browser today, and just.... their reliance on btrfs for things like snapshots and the ability to roll back changes, stuff that yum and dnf
had had without filesystem level snapshots for years.
I mean, it does mean that I will actively turn down jobs in
situations like that. But in my case, I can afford to be picky
and specific. I get 5~10 offers for work every week. More during
the prime times of January and July, where lots of companies do
their biggest hiring hunts.
Well that's cool. I'm assuming you're a programmer of some
kind... (?)
Yepperding. All bow to Patrick Volkerding, supre.... Nope. Not
me! LOL. But yes, it is one of the oldest. But then again, So is
Debian, Red Hat Linux, and openSUSE still, runners up from
Slackware at least. openSUSE was originally based on SLS and then
rebased off Slackware.
Haha, yes, I understand that thinking. But I would also argue
that all those other distros also basically have one Head MoFo in
Charge kinda guy too, really not much different than Slackware in
that regard. Especially now that the big ones have become a
commercial endeavor, pretty much.
So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their daily
use? I've been doing so for over 20 years now,
So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their daily use?I've been doing so for over 20 years now, through thick
and thin, distro to distro, and not really distro hopping so much aschanging distros every now and then when certain issues
arrise, or wanting to try something different for a while, and end up likingor not liking depending.
Hmmmm... I mean, the imposed requirements of even having to have
"antivirus" software specifically is pretty much degrading even the
chances of having "better" in the vocabulary at all when it comes to
Windows. The fact you have to have something like that constantly
running just to prevent both infection and spreading alone...
I have been pretty successful in the past at running Windows without antivirus.
One just have to be careful. :)
For me, it started being a real issue around Cinnamon 4.x,when it really started to get unstable. I've gone to using my old
trusty XFCE which has never let me down. Unlike KDE, Gnome,
Cinnamon, and pretty
much everything else to date actually, in terms of DE's.
Fair enough.
Heh yeah. It's funny, for me, I hated Red Hat back then. I actually
had preferred Debian and actually more than that, I preferred SUSE.
I think
I never liked SUSE for some reason. Can't recall why now, but it wasn't my cup of tea.
Yeah, I tried SUSE before the OpenSUSE days, but even then I wasn't keen on it.
So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their daily
use? I've been doing so for over 20 years now,
I use it since ~1999 on servers.
But I only switched my main computer to it a few years ago.
I have used Linux as primary desktop at least as far. There have been some jobs
where I was forced to used Windows as primary at times, but personally it's never been Windows except as a 2nd boot for the occasional game or odd item that had to be run from it.
I've been through a lot of distributions - mostly have Debian everywhere currently except one workstation which is OpenSuse. Been through Mint, Xubuntu, Ubuntu and Fedora as well, among others. It won't take me too long before I move away from OpenSuse too.
So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their
daily use? I've been doing so for over 20 years now,
I use it since ~1999 on servers.Hehe. Nice! What're you running for yourself on servers and desktop?
But I only switched my main computer to it a few years ago.
On 07-28-19 13:24, Eric Renfro wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I don't even recommend anymore, most anti-virus solutions. The only one
I recommend anymore is Microsoft's, what was named "Security
Essentials" before, not sure what Windows 10 renamed it to, but I
recall they did rename it. Windows Defender or something?
A lot, pretty much darn well near all, started tapping directly raw
into the network layer, and interpret straight from that. Well, guess
what most viruses, malware, etc focus on a lot of? Interpretters. When
you ADD an interpreter to the raw sockets, you expose more direct and confrontational means to get right down to the heart of the security tools. This is unwise, especially since there's been many
vulnerabilities in that front too. :)
Yeah. I do definitely miss some of the greatness KDE had. I don't like that Akonadi has become this monstrous beast of a thing that it
probably should never have become because it's become a nightmare to maintain as it is. I mean, I even setup my mail servers to run Kolab,
but now they've moved Kolab to being this commercial thing and they're stopping to maintain the GPL release packages they once did. So I'm
going to eventually be tearing my mail server down and rebuilding it completely without any dependancies for the current design concepts.
Build my own alternatives to some of the feastures Kolab provides, and have something I can just use and use well. It's a work in progress on that, but it'll definitely happen.
On 07-28-19 13:29, Eric Renfro wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Well, back in the SUSE 5.0 days, there was this one annoying thing it
had, which did deter me from it for a LOOOOOONG time.
They, out of box install, setup NFS servers with exports to / by
default, with a known reported vulnerability in NFS at the time.
It literally took a week of using SUSE as a NAT server on dialup, and being connected on IRC as I usually always am (still even today!), to
get a message on my consoles saying:
"A darker side of nowhere..."
And when I checked the process lists, there was something running: rm
-rf / which had a parent pid of the NFS servers.
Hehe. Nice! What're you running for yourself on servers and
desktop?
Started with Redhat on the server then switched to Debian.
On the Laptop and PC I use Ubuntu.
That's all I'm using, but even though Microsoft's AV solution is better integrated and works with, not in spite of Windows, it still causes some issues at times. Yes, Windows Defender is a name that cropped up at some stage.
On 07-29-19 14:21, Eric Renfro wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Re: Re: Linux Daily?
By: Tony Langdon to Eric Renfro on Mon Jul 29 2019 08:55 am
That's all I'm using, but even though Microsoft's AV solution is better integrated and works with, not in spite of Windows, it still causes some issues at times. Yes, Windows Defender is a name that cropped up at some stage.
Yeah. I used to recommend things like Avast, Kaspersky, etc... But the ONLY one I'll recommend anymore is the Microsoft-native one. And if you know anything about Steve Gibson and Leo LaPorte, from Security Now, that's what they too recommend for Windows people.
Well, back in the SUSE 5.0 days, there was this one annoying thing
it had, which did deter me from it for a LOOOOOONG time.
I think my issues were more to do with package management, I didn't like the package management system, found it more clunky than either Yum or Apt.
And when I checked the process lists, there was something running:
rm -rf / which had a parent pid of the NFS servers.
Ouch! :-( Yeah I rarely ran NFS servers, and never exported /.
This echo is too quiet!
So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their daily use? I've been doing so for over 20 years now, through thick and thin, distro to distro,
and not really distro hopping so much as changing distros every now and then when certain issues arrise, or wanting to try something different for a while,
and end up liking or not liking depending.
Right now, I have a mixed setup between Xubuntu on my laptop (Mostly secondary
computer), and Linux Mint on my primary desktop, however I'm going to be switching Mint to Xubuntu or Fedora. Still not sure.
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So who here actually uses Linux as their primary OS for their daily use? I've been doing so for over 20 years now, through thick and thin, distro to distro, and not really distro hopping so much as changing distros every now and then when certain issues arrise, or wanting to try something different for a while, and end up liking or not liking depending.
On 07-29-19 22:19, Eric Renfro wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Well, you're possibly confusing package management with repository management in that. yum, dnf, zypper, apt, apt-get, .... Are repository management tools, while the actual package management is rpm and dpkg, between those two specific ones.
And when I checked the process lists, there was something running:
rm -rf / which had a parent pid of the NFS servers.
Ouch! :-( Yeah I rarely ran NFS servers, and never exported /.
Exactly. That's why I didn't use SUSE for a loooooooooong time after
that. :) ===
I've been using linux for about the same time as you, Started out with Dual booting Red Hat and Windows XP! I Dual booted because I was 'scared' of linux, but wanted to learn it because it ran fast on a older PC that I had. I always had 'dual boot' as a backup and over the years, I found by using dual-boot I was just wasting space, because I started to NEVER use Windows! First Disto I ran without dual-boot was SuSE! I felt naked without Windows installed, even though I rarely used it! lol...
I've been using Ubuntu for about 6-7 years now, and I'm almost 'Windows Dumb' now...hehe
Chicken Head wrote to Eric Renfro <=-
I've been using Linux "daily" since about...oh, 1992. Using Kernel version 0.98pl5 I think, booted up off of the old SLS distro.
On 08-07-19 21:10, Richard Menedetter wrote to Eric Renfro <=-
Hi Eric!
Regarding distros.
I used Redhat because they had a great nickname for the then current distro. (Guiness ;)
Ubuntu was mainly chosen because it offered easy installation of
Software Defined Radio modules.
(It was easier to install than other distros.)
I am quit OK with Fedora.
I deeply despise SUSE.
I never tried Mint.
Regarding distros.
I used Redhat because they had a great nickname for the then current distro. (Guiness ;)
Ubuntu was mainly chosen because it offered easy installation of Software Defined Radio modules. (It was easier to install than other distros.)
I am quit OK with Fedora.
I deeply despise SUSE.
I never tried Mint.
Chicken Head wrote to Eric Renfro <=-
I've been using Linux "daily" since about...oh, 1992. Using Kernel version 0.98pl5 I think, booted up off of the old SLS distro.
That was about the time that I started, my team had a 386/33 with 4 mb of RAM, recompiling the kernel to support an Intel Etherexpress/16 card took a day and a half!
I started using BSD/OS on a mail server and later a DHCP/DNS server and didn't touch Linux again until 2000. It had come a long way in a short time.
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