so folks....

I work for a large automotive company.. who buys lots of old machines....

one comes in, from Switzerland, with an OS/2 warp based HMI

so, for the first time since I began using PC's in the early 90's I have to learn OS/2 to maintain this beast....

it' oS/2 warp 4.0... kind of neat, running custom software in the os/2 GUI type mode, with some kind of CAM type interface...

and i'll be maintaining it till the machine dies or is replaced, and they even talkked about getting a second machine... it'll be in serice probably until 2030!

crazy eh
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Quoting Stan Hosdar to All <=-

I work for a large automotive company.. who buys lots of old
machines....
one comes in, from Switzerland, with an OS/2 warp based HMI

so, for the first time since I began using PC's in the early 90's I
have to learn OS/2 to maintain this beast....

it' oS/2 warp 4.0... kind of neat, running custom software in the os/2
GUI type mode, with some kind of CAM type interface...

and i'll be maintaining it till the machine dies or is replaced, and
they even talkked about getting a second machine... it'll be in serice probably until 2030!

crazy eh

Sweet. If it ain't broke . . . :-)

I was one of those people in the 90's that *wanted* to use OS/2 but
could not afford the hardware to run it properly. So, instead I bought
and installed Windows 3.1.

Today I have OS/2 Warp 4 running in VirtualBox on my Linux desktop. I
also use Windows 10 for work only, which also runs in a virtual machine.

On OS/2 one thing I have yet to learn is how objects are used properly.
I mean, just trying to make what I would consider a shortcut on the
desktop to an application, I have not figured out without copying the
whole application to the desktop. But, I confess I have not put much
time into it since it's just for fun to tinker around with since I
couldn't back in the day. :-)

And for my Offline QWK Mail reading, I use DOSBOX-X with Blue Wave 2.3. Operating systems have become applications that allow me to run sub applications. Hahaha.


~Elf

,---------------------------,
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| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | | )
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
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DANIEL JUAREZ wrote to STAN HOSDAR <=-

On OS/2 one thing I have yet to learn is how objects are used properly.
I mean, just trying to make what I would consider a shortcut on the desktop to an application, I have not figured out without copying the whole application to the desktop. But, I confess I have not put much

I could be wrong, but I believe what you have to do is create a
"shadow". On my ArcaOS system, you can right click on an object and
"Create Shadow" and it will then ask where to place the shadow (to the
Desktop) and then you have a shortcut to that obj on the desktop.

I think object oriented stuff was taken to the extreme on WPS. You
could do a lot of really cool stuff, like drag docs to the printer to
print them. And one feature I used a lot was having sort of a "work
folder" and if I opened that folder (filled with shadows), everything
in the folder was opened. I could have a "BBS" folder, with telnet,
multimail and dos shell "shadows" and when I opened it, all those would
open up.

Kev

(by no means an OS/2 guru, but I was in Team OS/2 for awhile :> )


--- Telegard/2/QWK v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
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Quoting Kevin Nunn to Daniel Juarez <=-

I could be wrong, but I believe what you have to do is create a
"shadow". On my ArcaOS system, you can right click on an object and "Create Shadow" and it will then ask where to place the shadow (to the Desktop) and then you have a shortcut to that obj on the desktop.

I think object oriented stuff was taken to the extreme on WPS. You
could do a lot of really cool stuff, like drag docs to the printer to print them. And one feature I used a lot was having sort of a "work folder" and if I opened that folder (filled with shadows), everything
in the folder was opened. I could have a "BBS" folder, with telnet, multimail and dos shell "shadows" and when I opened it, all those
would open up.

I tried that on a Seamonkey web browser executable and it worked, but
when I clicked on the icon, it just opens the Properties dialog box.
Then I was reminded of that issue to. I have the Seamonkey executable in
a folder and when I click on it, it just opens the properties dialog
box, it doesn't actually execute the program. What's up with that? LOL


~Elf

,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | | )
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

... Shoplifters with the runs always take Clepto Bismol.
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DANIEL JUAREZ wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

I tried that on a Seamonkey web browser executable and it worked, but
when I clicked on the icon, it just opens the Properties dialog box.
Then I was reminded of that issue to. I have the Seamonkey executable
in a folder and when I click on it, it just opens the properties dialog box, it doesn't actually execute the program. What's up with that? LOL

I seem to remeber that I had that issue in the past and I am
remembering it had something to do with the "default" open option. If
you right click on the exe or shadow and go to "Open", you should have
2 options, DEFAULT and SETTINGS, and there is a bullet next to
the default, it might have "SETTINGS" selected as the default and I
can't remember right now how to change that.

Also check on the properties under the TYPE tab, it should have
"Executable" under "Current Types"

For some reason this issue rings a bell in my head, but I can't recall
how I dealt with it.

Kev

--- Telegard/2/QWK v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
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Quoting Kevin Nunn to Daniel Juarez <=-

I seem to remeber that I had that issue in the past and I am
remembering it had something to do with the "default" open option. If
you right click on the exe or shadow and go to "Open", you should have
2 options, DEFAULT and SETTINGS, and there is a bullet next to
the default, it might have "SETTINGS" selected as the default and I
can't remember right now how to change that.

Also check on the properties under the TYPE tab, it should have "Executable" under "Current Types"

I right-clicked on the exe file and then chose Create Program Object > Default. It asked where I wanted to put the file, and I just chose the
same folder the executable was already in. When I double clicked the new program object, it says "Cannot start C:\DESKTOP\SEAMONKE\SEAMONKE.EXE"
and gives some reasons why that might be. At least now I have it try to
execute something, so that is a step forward! :-) Thanks!


~Elf

,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | | )
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

... California raisins murdered! Cereal killer suspected.
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DANIEL JUAREZ wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

I right-clicked on the exe file and then chose Create Program Object > Default. It asked where I wanted to put the file, and I just chose the same folder the executable was already in. When I double clicked the

I think all that does is create another EXE file. The differences
between how OS/2 and Windoes handle icons is so different that it's
hard to grasp what the right thing to do in OS/2 is.

And I only use my box around once a week, so not much practice.

Kev

--- Telegard/2/QWK v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
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Quoting Kevin Nunn to Daniel Juarez <=-

I think all that does is create another EXE file. The differences
between how OS/2 and Windoes handle icons is so different that it's
hard to grasp what the right thing to do in OS/2 is.

And I only use my box around once a week, so not much practice.

Yeah, and I use it less than that. I just like it for the nastalgia.
:-)

~Elf

,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | | )
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

... My other vehicle is a Galaxy Class Starship ...
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Sweet. If it ain't broke . . . :-)

I was one of those people in the 90's that *wanted* to use OS/2 but
could not afford the hardware to run it properly. So, instead I bought
and installed Windows 3.1.

Today I have OS/2 Warp 4 running in VirtualBox on my Linux desktop. I
also use Windows 10 for work only, which also runs in a virtual machine.

On OS/2 one thing I have yet to learn is how objects are used properly.
I mean, just trying to make what I would consider a shortcut on the
desktop to an application, I have not figured out without copying the
whole application to the desktop. But, I confess I have not put much

Curious, what practical application does os/2 have today other than nostaliga?

can you even get a modern browser for it?

On my UNIX systems (also at work) it is difficult to impossible to get a modern compliant browser, most are 10 years old now..... so they have little practical use for the desktop, but of course, as a server...... that's a whole other matter. Unix is Unix

this os/2 machine is built for one purpose and one only - CNC with CAD. The resolution sucks. The keyboard and mouse are industrial grade and more of the kind you'd find on an old teletype or minicomputer. The OS/GUI is very wierd i'm not used to it) and most of the OS is hidden from view. But it's very clearly os/2 to any seasoned user.

The Ethernet is AUI (15 pin!) and also has a parallell port.... which limits what I can do with it - to network this i'd need a transciever (can still buy new) but THEN i'm stuck with NETBIOS/NETBEUI for a protocol and needing windows XP as a go between...

so.... floppies it is (yes, has floppies)

other than os/2 used on machines (some bank machines , etc) or the absolutely latest os/2 builds i'd be curious what else you can do...

also can os/2 dual boot with DOS? I could try it on this laptop...
(486/66)
--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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Quoting Stan Hosdar to Daniel Juarez <=-

Curious, what practical application does os/2 have today other than nostaliga?

For me, pure nostalgia. I have no practical use for it today. It is just
fun to look back on something I admired in the past and wanted but never purchased and used anyway. I was a DOS/Windows user mostly. Today my
main desktop is Linux on both my laptops and my desktop. I use other
OS's as needed/wanted in virtual machines on top of Linux.




~Elf

,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | | )
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

... OS/2 VirusScan - "Windows found: Remove it? (Y/y)"
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