I just configured your Msg reader for personal mail today - first time I've seen it (and been meaning to look at it). Nice job - like it :)
1) While reading a message, if you use ? (help), and then press "q" to return back - it returns back to the message, but doesnt render the message header. If however, while using help, you return from the final pause, and use any other char (except "q"), then mesage is redrawn correctly (with header).
2) I often use a wide terminal, a mix of Syncterm (132x137) or iTerm (much wider).
In the list display, I've noticed that when I'm using a wider terminal, the date is "blue" except for the last digit of minutes, the colon and the seconds. (It doesnt surface on an 80 col display.)
EG: If the date was 2021-01-06 01:23:45, then the 3:45 is the dull white color (normal?), and the rest of the date is blue.
In addition the lightbar (and the list) work well, but the lightbar also stops before the 3:45 as you move up/down. (So the same last 4 chars are not included).
I'm happy to give you a pic if that helps.
Anyway, thought you might like to know.
This isn't something I've seen. And I'm not quite sure what you mean by pressing Q to return back, except from the final pause? When viewing the help screen, any key you press should have it continue writing the help screen until you get to the
final pause, and then pressing any key will have it go back (not just Q). I tried it just now and can't reproduce the issue you're describing.
A screenshot would help, as I haven't seen these issues.
It looks like iTerm is only available for Mac OS? I don't have a Mac, so I wouldn't be able to test that.
Re: DDMsg Read - PersonalMail
By: deon to Nightfox on Fri Jan 29 2021 02:08 pm
I just configured your Msg reader for personal mail today - first time I've seen it (and been meaning to look at it). Nice job - like it :)
Thanks, I'm glad you like it. :)
1) While reading a message, if you use ? (help), and then press "q" to return back - it returns back to the message, but doesnt render the message header. If however, while using help, you return from the final pause, and use any other char (except "q"), then mesage is redrawn correctly (with header).
This isn't something I've seen. And I'm not quite sure what you mean by pressing Q to return back, except from the final pause? When viewing the help screen, any key you press should have it continue writing the help screen until you get to the final pause, and then pressing any key will have it go back (not just Q). I tried it just now and can't reproduce the issue you're describing.
A screenshot would help, as I haven't seen these issues.
Yes, in the help screen, "any key" should return you to the message. But if that key is "Q", the header doesnt return, just the message body.
Re: DDMsg Read - PersonalMail
By: deon to Nightfox on Sat Jan 30 2021 08:13 am
Yes, in the help screen, "any key" should return you to the message. But if that key is "Q", the header doesnt return, just the message body.
Interesting.. I had tried using Q and wasn't seeing that issue.
A screenshot would help, as I haven't seen these issues.
It looks like iTerm is only available for Mac OS? I don't have a Mac, so I wouldn't be able to test that.
Yes, in the help screen, "any key" should return you to the
message. But if that key is "Q", the header doesnt return, just
the message body.
Interesting.. I had tried using Q and wasn't seeing that issue.
Happens in both SyncTerm and in a terminal telnet session.
I can't speak for the problem, but I will say that iTerm and iTerm2 are excellent emulators. The sad part about BBSing is that the assumption is that everything is 80-column. When we build screens, input fields, etc., we assume "80" but it could vary. For example, when I am working, I run 132x43 (132 columns by 43 rows). When I telnet/ssh into a BBS from a shell, sometimes things display right, sometimes they don't. Oh, well!
btw, get yourself a Mac. They're so sweet (sorry, a little Ferris Bueler there).
What do you mean by "terminal telnet"? SyncTerm is a telnet terminal
"If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up. They're so choice." :)
I've had Macs before. I thought they were cool, but I can't really say they made me want to switch. I've been a long-time PC user (DOS and then Windows) and have also used Linux, and Mac seems like another version of the same kind of thing. I was also briefly doing some development work with a Mac for one of my jobs, and using Automator to write some scripts, I remember Automator crashing fairly often. Also I used XCode to do some development and XCode crashed a few times when I was using it.. It was a bit frustrating. Maybe it has gotten better now though.
Also, now that Apple has switched from Intel to their own M1 processor, I'd
be concerned about older software running. At least for PC, sometimes I still like to play older games & maybe run some older apps that are no longer developed.
"If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up. They're so
choice." :)
I've always loved that line. When I've had the chance to use it, I do. Anyone born in the 00s has no clue when I say it and my oldest daughter (19) who has watched it with me a few times rolls her eyes when I do say it.
Also, now that Apple has switched from Intel to their own M1
processor, I'd be concerned about older software running. At least
for PC, sometimes I still like to play older games & maybe run some
older apps that are no longer developed.
Their emulation is rock solid. They mastered this when Apple switched from PowerPC to Intel. There will always be those one-off software packages that simply refuse to work, but, we will see.
Yes, in the help screen, "any key" should return you to the
message. But if that key is "Q", the header doesnt return, just
the message body.
Interesting.. I had tried using Q and wasn't seeing that issue.
Happens in both SyncTerm and in a terminal telnet session.
What do you mean by "terminal telnet"? SyncTerm is a telnet terminal emulator.
It seems 80 columns is fairly standard, but you're right, there
are wider terminals too. BBS stuff ideally should be taken into
account, and if they're hard-coded to assume 80 columns, at least
that should display okay on a wider terminal and not mess up.
On 1/30/2021 11:20 AM, Nightfox wrote:
It seems 80 columns is fairly standard, but you're right, there
are wider terminals too. BBS stuff ideally should be taken into
account, and if they're hard-coded to assume 80 columns, at least
that should display okay on a wider terminal and not mess up.
I find a lot of ANSi files are optimized to assume 80-column and bork on wider displays.
Re: Re: DDMsg Read - PersonalMail
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Tue Feb 02 2021 09:48 am
On 1/30/2021 11:20 AM, Nightfox wrote:
It seems 80 columns is fairly standard, but you're right, there
are wider terminals too. BBS stuff ideally should be taken into
account, and if they're hard-coded to assume 80 columns, at least
that should display okay on a wider terminal and not mess up.
I find a lot of ANSi files are optimized to assume 80-column and bork
on wider displays.
Such files can be "fixed" by converting to .msg/asc using
"ans2msg <infile.ans> <outfile.msg> -80"
A conditional new-line will be added for each line where there is text in column 80.
Re: DDMsg Read - PersonalMail
By: deon to Nightfox on Sat Jan 30 2021 08:13 am
Yes, in the help screen, "any key" should return you to the message. But if that key is "Q", the header doesnt return, just the message body.
Interesting.. I had tried using Q and wasn't seeing that issue.
Interesting.. I had tried using Q and wasn't seeing that issue.
Well, I used exactly the same settings on your BBS and everything worked as advertized. Unless it is some sort of change in a later version. I forgot to check what version of sbbs you're running.
I also tried converting the files from dos2unix. I can't remember if you're running Windows but that didn't make any difference either. I'm at a loss as to why it functions on yours but not on others' bbs.
I've been using Macs for some years. I consider them rock solid.
Don't worry, I'm a DOS/Windows/*nix person but I favor my Mac above everything else. Apple has screwed up a few times and they've
learned. XCode behaves well now. My next Mac will be an M1 MacBook
Pro (13"). I currently use a MacBook Pro (13") from 2016 and an iMac
from 2014. My youngest son (15) wants my MBP. No one gets the iMac.
Also, now that Apple has switched from Intel to their own M1
processor, I'd be concerned about older software running. At least
for PC, sometimes I still like to play older games & maybe run some
older apps that are no longer developed.
Their emulation is rock solid. They mastered this when Apple
switched from PowerPC to Intel. There will always be those one-off
software packages that simply refuse to work, but, we will see.
... maybe Apple won't go through much trouble of continuing
to support Intel software.
One of the other main issues I have with Apple in general is that
they lack configuration options for their computers. For laptops,
some manufaturers let you put in a second hard drive for more storage
(you might opt for an SSD for the boot drive and a large HDD for
storage, for instance), or what have you.
Several years ago, I heard Apple had started making their Macs with everything sealed & soldered in, so you couldn't even upgrade the RAM
- but I think they're starting to allow easy upgrades again? And then
I also don't know if you can replace the battery on their MacBooks
anymore..
As far as their desktops, I've heard the iMac can be difficult to
upgrade, due to how you have to take it apart & put it back together,
and their more easily upgradeable Mac Pro costs an arm and a leg.
Apple just doesn't seem to have a PC I'd want to buy.
Due to the above reasons, I'd probably lean toward building a
hackintosh, except now with Apple's M1 processor, that's probably not
a viable plan anymore.
... maybe Apple won't go through much trouble of continuing
to support Intel software.
I don't think x86 emulation is going anywhere, afaik, they've got some heavily optimized combinations of hardware/software paths for x86 emulation specifically, and I think WINE and derivatives along with Docker are some big use cases for a lot of people, not counting full Windows in emulation. As to ARM Windows, it's currently OEM or
developer access only.
The new M1 macs are really a full-on single board computer, the RAM is integrated, why they're all 8gb. Though it's crazy fast, which makes up for the limited amount in a LOT of scenarios.
The storage is soldered on board, which sucks from an upgrade
standpoint. But it's been the direction that Apple has gone, short of plunking down big money for effectively workstation hardware. And in a lot of ways it makes sense. Outside of techies, the *vast* majority of people don't ever upgrade their memory or drive storage in these
devices. I'd personally prefer to be able to upgrade. When I got my mid-2014 mbp, I was shocked I couldn't upgrade the ram, I actually returned the one I originally ordered and wound up with the top end
model for the time (needed it for a presentation the following day, no sleep that night).
... maybe Apple won't go through much trouble of continuing
to support Intel software.
I don't think x86 emulation is going anywhere, afaik, they've got some
heavily optimized combinations of hardware/software paths for x86
emulation specifically, and I think WINE and derivatives along with
Docker are some big use cases for a lot of people, not counting full
Windows in emulation. As to ARM Windows, it's currently OEM or
developer access only.
As far as WINE, from what I understand, WINE isn't a hardware emulator,
it's just an 'emulator' of Windows APIs, mapping them to similar Linux
APIs so that Windows binaries can run on *nix.
I'd prefer to be able to upgrade, or at least have the option of having a crazy-high amount of RAM when I buy it in the first place so I probably won't feel a need to upgrade for a while.
While I agree, the fact is that most people don't/won't ever upgrade so not having the option simplifies the production designs and reduces material costs, so I don't fault Apple for doing it. I'm less inclined
to buy their stuff as well. Bigger motivations for buying their laptops have actually been the best touchpad on any laptop, above average screen and above average keyboard (though not as good as pre-2015 models),
which are the parts of the hardware I interact with most.
Really <3 Docker these days, as I can spin up/down everything I need as project dependencies and spin them down when switching to something
else. But I still need more than 8gb ram typically.
Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-
I had a 2012 17" MacBook for a little while. I thought it was good overall, but I wouldn't say I was overly impressed with it compared to other laptops.
I had a 2012 17" MacBook for a little while. I thought it was good
overall, but I wouldn't say I was overly impressed with it compared
to other laptops.
I was working in a Mac/Windows shop when they came out, and we had a handful of them in the office (most were Dell 14" laptops, MacBook Pro 15s and Air 13s.)
I think the 17" could make a great desktop replacement system, now. I wish I'd had more time to play with one.
On 02-04-21 13:01, Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-
As far as WINE, from what I understand, WINE isn't a hardware emulator, it's just an 'emulator' of Windows APIs, mapping them to similar Linux APIs so that Windows binaries can run on *nix.
On 02-06-21 08:39, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-
I had a 2012 17" MacBook for a little while. I thought it was good overall, but I wouldn't say I was overly impressed with it compared to other laptops.
The killer laptop was the old Dell XPS 15; Retina-like resolution, lots
of horsepower, greta build quality and much cheaper than the MBPs were buying when comparably equipped.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I thought Apple stopped making 17" laptops?
Tony Langdon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The killer laptop was the old Dell XPS 15; Retina-like resolution, lots
of horsepower, greta build quality and much cheaper than the MBPs were buying when comparably equipped.
Recently bought a Dell laptop, and I'm pretty happy with it.
I thought Apple stopped making 17" laptops?
They have stopped. This was around 2012 or so.
I'm a hardcore Thinkpad fan, but working from home has soured me on black laptops. I like to go outside, get some air and work outside on sunny days, and my thinkpad gets way too hot. I'm thinking my old silver XPS 13 would fare better...
Really <3 Docker these days, as I can spin up/down everything I need as
project dependencies and spin them down when switching to something
else. But I still need more than 8gb ram typically.
Wow, you must be running some large stuff on your laptop?
I too develop on a MacBook Pro - and my iMac - depends where I am as
to which one I use.
I think I've only given my iMac 4GB of ram for docker to work with
(my laptop only gives docker 2GB), and I load some large DB's in it
(there must be about 1-2mil records) and it performs OK, not fast I
admit. Maybe that's not large? :)
But you are right - for developing, docker makes things pretty easy.
I use "syncthing" to keep my laptop and imac development directory
in sync, so when I switch between one or the other, I just kill the containers on my laptop and restart them on the imac and keep going
(or visa-versa).
When I'm finished with a feature, I push the code to my github,
which (depending on the project), builds the container that ends
up on the live server. With a Dockerfile that is consistent
between environments there is rarely any localisation issues with deployment...
It isn't, but if you want to run an x86/x64 Windows application on WINEAs far as WINE, from what I understand, WINE isn't a hardware emulator,
it's just an 'emulator' of Windows APIs, mapping them to similar Linux
APIs so that Windows binaries can run on *nix.
"WINE" stands for "WINE Is Not An Emulator". Technically, it's an API translation layer, as you mentioned above.
My old company was Dell until about 2013/2014 then went
Thinkpads. Initial quality of the Thinkpads was pretty
impressive but I had too many issues with charging and
battery life with three different Thinkpads between 2014
and 2019. My current company uses Dells. I hate the
keyboard but it remains pretty solid.
On 02-07-21 06:58, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Recently bought a Dell laptop, and I'm pretty happy with it.
I'm a hardcore Thinkpad fan, but working from home has soured me on
black laptops. I like to go outside, get some air and work outside on sunny days, and my thinkpad gets way too hot. I'm thinking my old
silver XPS 13 would fare better...
On 02-08-21 17:35, Tracker1 wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
"WINE" stands for "WINE Is Not An Emulator". Technically, it's an API translation layer, as you mentioned above.
It isn't, but if you want to run an x86/x64 Windows application on WINE
on an M1 mac, you'll need not only WINE but the x86/x64 emulation
support. --
"WINE" stands for "WINE Is Not An Emulator". Technically, it's an API
translation layer, as you mentioned above.
It isn't, but if you want to run an x86/x64 Windows application on WINE
on an M1 mac, you'll need not only WINE but the x86/x64 emulation
support. --
True, but the emulation is another layer altogether.
On 02-13-21 18:39, Tracker1 wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
The point was, it's one of probably many reasons that apple likely
won't be removing x86 emulation any time soon.
Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-
I had a 2012 17" MacBook for a little while. I thought it was good overall, but I wouldn't say I was overly impressed with it compared to other laptops. I don't think the screen was above average, and I
didn't really care for the lack of physical buttons for the trackpad.
As for the trackpad itself, I wouldn't call it "the best touchpad on
any laptop" - I didn't really see anything spectacular about it that
set it apart.
Dream Master wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I thought Apple stopped making 17" laptops?
They have stopped. This was around 2012 or so.
They now make the 16" MBP, which is a powerhouse for a MBP and I think
it is overkill for a daily driver. If I were doing graphic or audio workloads, I could definitely see getting that instead of a 13" MBP (or the rumored 14" that's coming out later this year).
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