• BBS Crash Recovery Options

    From Sys64738@1:103/705 to All on Tue Oct 26 21:02:51 2021
    I assume that you all use some sort of reboot or restart sequence to bring your bbs back up when it crashes. Could anyone name some good options for a Windows 10 machine?

    SYS64738

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Sys64738 on Tue Oct 26 19:26:41 2021
    Re: BBS Crash Recovery Options
    By: Sys64738 to All on Tue Oct 26 2021 09:02 pm

    I assume that you all use some sort of reboot or restart sequence to bring your bbs back up when it crashes. Could anyone name some good options for a Windows 10 machine?

    For Windows, I just put a shortcut to the Synchronet control panel in the Windows Startup folder. That way, Windows will run Synchronet on startup. I also have a program that checks whether Synchronet is running, and if not, it runs Synchronet. I have that checker program set up in Task Manager to run every 10 minutes.

    Nightfox

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:103/705 to Sys64738 on Wed Oct 27 05:46:00 2021
    I assume that you all use some sort of reboot or restart sequence to
    bring your bbs back up when it crashes. Could anyone name some good options for a Windows 10 machine?

    Years ago, when I was running GT Power under dial-up and DOS 5, a friend
    of mine rigged up a relay with the answering machine, and hooked it to the computer tower. If the BBS had locked up, and the phone just rang, when
    the answering machine kicked in, it'd trigger the relay, and reboot the computer. Then, I had it set where it would automatically reload the BBS.

    The thing is with Windows 10, you have to "login", with a PIN, or
    something else...and it usually takes awhile for everything with Windows
    10 to boot back up.

    Daryl

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Sys64738 on Wed Oct 27 09:29:00 2021
    Sys64738 wrote to All <=-

    I assume that you all use some sort of reboot or restart sequence
    to bring your bbs back up when it crashes.

    I do not. My BBS doesn't crash.

    Could anyone name some good options for a Windows 10 machine?

    Format the drive and install your favorite flavor of Linux. See above regarding not crashing. ;-)


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  • From Sys64738@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Wed Oct 27 09:38:22 2021
    Re: BBS Crash Recovery Options
    By: Nightfox to Sys64738 on Tue Oct 26 2021 19:26:41

    it runs Synchronet. I have that checker program set up in Task Manager to run every 10 minutes.

    I set up "Restart On Crash v1.6.3" to do that, but it doesn't seem to be very reliable. Could you share with me the program that you use?

    SYS64738

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  • From Sys64738@1:103/705 to Daryl Stout on Wed Oct 27 09:42:05 2021
    Re: BBS Crash Recovery Option
    By: Daryl Stout to Sys64738 on Wed Oct 27 2021 05:46:00

    Years ago, when I was running GT Power under dial-up and DOS 5, a friend of mine rigged up a relay with the answering machine, and hooked it to the computer tower. If the BBS had locked up, and the phone just rang, when
    the answering machine kicked in, it'd trigger the relay, and reboot the computer. Then, I had it set where it would automatically reload the BBS.

    Wow! That's some real MacGyver type stuff! Bravo! lol

    The thing is with Windows 10, you have to "login", with a PIN, or something else...and it usually takes awhile for everything with Windows
    10 to boot back up.

    Well, I was mainly referring to recovering from a bbs software rather than the entire machine. I believe I have the machine crash problem covered.

    SYS64738

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  • From Ragnarok@1:103/705 to Sys64738 on Wed Oct 27 12:08:39 2021
    El 26/10/21 a las 23:02, Sys64738 escribió:
    I assume that you all use some sort of reboot or restart sequence to bring your bbs back up when it crashes. Could anyone name some good options for a Windows 10 machine?

    SYS64738

    I run sbbs on linux and never had to reboot computer from bbs crashes.
    Sometime sbbs crash.. but no take down the entire machine.

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Sys64738 on Wed Oct 27 08:53:44 2021
    Re: BBS Crash Recovery Options
    By: Sys64738 to Nightfox on Wed Oct 27 2021 09:38 am

    it runs Synchronet. I have that checker program set up in Task
    Manager to run every 10 minutes.

    I set up "Restart On Crash v1.6.3" to do that, but it doesn't seem to be very reliable. Could you share with me the program that you use?

    https://bit.ly/3mkZxd8

    Full link: http://www.digitaldistortionbbs.com/api/files.ssjs?call=download-file&dir=syncu til&file=sbbs_check.zip

    Nightfox

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  • From Sys64738@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Wed Oct 27 13:00:43 2021
    Re: BBS Crash Recovery Options
    By: Nightfox to Sys64738 on Wed Oct 27 2021 08:53:44

    https://bit.ly/3mkZxd8

    Thanks. I'll give it a try.

    SYS64738

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:103/705 to Sys64738 on Wed Oct 27 12:55:00 2021
    Years ago, when I was running GT Power under dial-up and DOS 5, a friend of mine rigged up a relay with the answering machine, and hooked it to the computer tower. If the BBS had locked up, and the phone just rang, when
    the answering machine kicked in, it'd trigger the relay, and reboot the computer. Then, I had it set where it would automatically reload the BBS.

    Wow! That's some real MacGyver type stuff! Bravo! lol

    My friend (a former Sysop and former ham radio operator), suggested that
    I do that...and it worked for several years.

    The thing is with Windows 10, you have to "login", with a PIN, or something else...and it usually takes awhile for everything with Windows
    10 to boot back up.

    Well, I was mainly referring to recovering from a bbs software rather
    than the entire machine. I believe I have the machine crash problem covered.

    Even though I could place the Synchronet Control Panel in the startup
    file, I have a USB external drive that I use to backup the data to...and Windows 10 thinks it's a bootable option.

    But, the BBS computer is 32-bit, and with Windows ENDING 32-bit support
    with Windows 10, I'm leaving it there.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Wed Oct 27 13:07:00 2021
    I do not. My BBS doesn't crash.

    You just jinxed yourself. I've never known a Sysop whose computer does
    not crash 5 minutes after they go on vacation.

    Format the drive and install your favorite flavor of Linux. See above regarding not crashing. ;-)

    To me, Linux users have a penguin fetish. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Daryl Stout on Wed Oct 27 18:43:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I do not. My BBS doesn't crash.

    You just jinxed yourself. I've never known a Sysop whose
    computer does not crash 5 minutes after they go on vacation.

    Haha! You need to get to know some non-Windoze folks... :-)

    I've actually been on vacation for almost a week. Seriously, my BBS has
    never crashed.

    Format the drive and install your favorite flavor of Linux. See above regarding not crashing. ;-)

    To me, Linux users have a penguin fetish. <G>

    I do like penguins, no doubt. I prefer to call it a
    stability/reliability fetish. :-)



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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Daryl Stout on Wed Oct 27 17:24:13 2021
    Re: BBS Crash Recovery Option
    By: Daryl Stout to Sys64738 on Wed Oct 27 2021 05:46 am

    The thing is with Windows 10, you have to "login", with a PIN, or something else...and it usually takes awhile for everything with Windows
    10 to boot back up.

    You can disable that (and auto-login as a specific user).
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Wed Oct 27 19:42:00 2021
    You just jinxed yourself. I've never known a Sysop whose
    computer does not crash 5 minutes after they go on vacation.

    Haha! You need to get to know some non-Windoze folks... :-)

    I think another area Sysop is running his system under Linux. I'll
    have to get with him sometime. But, with him changing jobs, and the
    holidays coming up, that might be a bit difficult.

    I've actually been on vacation for almost a week. Seriously, my BBS
    has never crashed.

    You are blessed in that regard.

    I do like penguins, no doubt. I prefer to call it a
    stability/reliability fetish. :-)

    LOL.

    But, Microsoft doesn't believe in the philosophy "if it ain't broke,
    don't fix it". I know they hate all these folks who run Mac or Linux.
    Yet, a lot of their graphics, utilities, etc., seem to have been "lifted"
    from the original ones (remember the debacle with Stacker, DoubleSpace,
    and DriveSpace??).

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Thu Oct 28 08:06:00 2021
    Rob,

    The thing is with Windows 10, you have to "login", with a PIN, or something else...and it usually takes awhile for everything with Windows
    10 to boot back up.

    You can disable that (and auto-login as a specific user).

    The problem there is that I have an external USB drive that I use for
    data backups, and Windows 10 thinks one can boot from that. So, when I
    reset the system, I have to temporarily disconnect the USB cable from
    the computer tower, so the system can boot up. Offhand, I'm not sure
    how to disable that.

    My internet is out this morning, so I'm having to login via the LAN,
    or directly from the host console. Weather conditions may be to blame.

    Daryl

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Daryl Stout on Thu Oct 28 12:03:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Gamgee <=-

    You just jinxed yourself. I've never known a Sysop whose
    computer does not crash 5 minutes after they go on vacation.

    Haha! You need to get to know some non-Windoze folks... :-)

    I think another area Sysop is running his system under Linux.
    I'll have to get with him sometime. But, with him changing jobs,
    and the holidays coming up, that might be a bit difficult.

    I've actually been on vacation for almost a week. Seriously, my BBS
    has never crashed.

    You are blessed in that regard.

    Well, it's not unusual or blind luck. It's Linux.

    I do like penguins, no doubt. I prefer to call it a
    stability/reliability fetish. :-)

    LOL.

    But, Microsoft doesn't believe in the philosophy "if it ain't
    broke, don't fix it".

    Isn't that enough of a reason (among many others) to avoid using their product(s)?

    It certainly is for me.


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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Daryl Stout on Thu Oct 28 11:47:24 2021
    Re: BBS Crash Recovery Option
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Thu Oct 28 2021 08:06 am

    Rob,

    The thing is with Windows 10, you have to "login", with a PIN, or something else...and it usually takes awhile for everything with Windows 10 to boot back up.

    You can disable that (and auto-login as a specific user).

    The problem there is that I have an external USB drive that I use for
    data backups, and Windows 10 thinks one can boot from that. So, when I
    reset the system, I have to temporarily disconnect the USB cable from
    the computer tower, so the system can boot up. Offhand, I'm not sure
    how to disable that.

    https://www.minitool.com/lib/hard-disk-active-partition.html
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  • From Brian Rogers@1:103/705 to Daryl Stout on Thu Oct 28 10:19:00 2021
    Hello Daryl;

    Daryl Stout wrote to Sys64738 <=-

    Years ago, when I was running GT Power under dial-up and DOS 5, a
    friend of mine rigged up a relay with the answering machine, and hooked
    it to the computer tower. If the BBS had locked up, and the phone just rang, when the answering machine kicked in, it'd trigger the relay, and reboot the computer. Then, I had it set where it would automatically reload the BBS.

    From the "there's more than one way to skin a cat" dept <G>
    I had a packet "server" on an old eMachine's mini tower that would on occasion lock up - and usually when I wasn't around to reboot it. I also had a separate debian system which ran my web/ftp/postfix/etc stuff on that was on an IBM eSeries 1U server. Eventually I wrote a program that would send a ground
    to a pin on the parallel port for 3 seconds. On the eMachine, I wired up
    from the reset button to a 25-pin plug and installed a 25-pin cable between them. All I needed to do was ssh in and call the program. Reboot successful <G>



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  • From Mike Powell@1:103/705 to SYS64738 on Thu Oct 28 15:47:00 2021
    I assume that you all use some sort of reboot or restart sequence to bring your
    bbs back up when it crashes. Could anyone name some good options for a Windows
    10 machine?

    Not sure how you would do it on Windows for sure, but on linux this works.

    My synch.sh script:

    #!/bin/bash
    export HOME=/sbbs
    export SBBSCTRL=/sbbs/ctrl
    export SBBSNODE=/sbbs/node1
    export SBBSEXEC=/sbbs/exec
    rm -fv /sbbs/ctrl/cryptlib.key
    sleep 2
    /sbbs/exec/sbbs syslog
    echo "2 minutes... click X or wait 2 minutes for recycle"
    sleep 120
    cd /sbbs
    ./synch.sh

    If the BBS crashes, the last line calls of the script calls iteslf to restart it. Having it sleep for 2 minutes (sleep 120) gives me time to exit the
    window (if I stopped sbbs on purpose), and gives the system time to
    relinquish the ports if the system crashed.

    I know you asked about Windows, but this might give you some ideas as to
    what you can do in a BAT/CMD file that would be similar.


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  • From Greg Meckel@1:103/705 to Daryl Stout on Thu Oct 28 13:29:47 2021
    Re: BBS Crash Recovery Option
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Thu Oct 28 2021 08:06 am

    In your BIOS, move the USB drive to the bottom of the boot list and/or make sure your windows drive is the 1st boot drive on the list.

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Fri Oct 29 08:47:00 2021
    But, Microsoft doesn't believe in the philosophy "if it ain't
    broke, don't fix it".

    Isn't that enough of a reason (among many others) to avoid using their product(s)?

    Unfortunately, most all of the programs I use with my hobbies are
    Windows based...there are no Linux equivalents.

    Daryl

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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to Sys64738 on Tue Nov 2 12:05:50 2021
    On 10/26/21 19:02, Sys64738 wrote:
    I assume that you all use some sort of reboot or restart sequence
    to bring your bbs back up when it crashes. Could anyone name some
    good options for a Windows 10 machine?

    I've been running under Docker (docker-compose.yml) for a while now,
    which has been pretty stable. I've got a few of the higher level
    systems in separate containers sharing the same volume(s), and they're
    set to re-start on failure/crash.

    If you install as a windows service, you can do similar... go into the
    service manager and set the service to restart on crash/error. You can
    also set the user the service runs as, depending on your permissions.
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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to Daryl Stout on Tue Nov 2 12:20:52 2021
    On 10/28/21 06:06, Daryl Stout wrote:

    The problem there is that I have an external USB drive that I use
    for data backups, and Windows 10 thinks one can boot from that.
    So, when I reset the system, I have to temporarily disconnect the
    USB cable from the computer tower, so the system can boot up.
    Offhand, I'm not sure how to disable that.

    In your bios/firmware boot settings, you should be able to change the
    boot order, or straight disable anything other than your primary hard
    drive... if/when you need to boot something else, most current computers
    allow for an F12 (boot menu) to boot to another device.
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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Wed Nov 3 12:26:21 2021
    On 10/28/21 10:03, Gamgee wrote:
    But, Microsoft doesn't believe in the philosophy "if it ain't
    broke, don't fix it".

    Isn't that enough of a reason (among many others) to avoid using their product(s)?

    It certainly is for me.

    Oh, like Linux? (SystemD, Budgie, Gnome 40, KDE Neon, etc).

    If you want a stagnated OS, you should probably just run TempleOS.
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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to Daryl Stout on Wed Nov 3 12:34:42 2021
    On 10/29/21 06:47, Daryl Stout wrote:

    Unfortunately, most all of the programs I use with my hobbies
    are Windows based...there are no Linux equivalents.

    Would you be willing to expand on this? I'm deeply curious. Don't get
    me wrong, there are software available on Windows and Mac where Linux equivalents don't cut it, but I'm not aware of types of software with no equivalent for *nix. Of course there's also WINE, which may or may not
    work.

    Aside: I have seen custom, low-volume hardware that doesn't have viable drivers or software for Linux, but that was a very long time ago... had
    to put together a computer to run Win9x in 2009 with a VLB slot on the
    MB (5x86) and physically remove the network jack to prevent it being placed/used online, it controlled a many (thousands?) disc cd changer
    for a radio station.
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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Tracker1 on Wed Nov 3 13:09:26 2021
    Re: Re: BBS Crash Recovery Op
    By: Tracker1 to Daryl Stout on Wed Nov 03 2021 12:34 pm

    Unfortunately, most all of the programs I use with my hobbies
    are Windows based...there are no Linux equivalents.

    Would you be willing to expand on this? I'm deeply curious. Don't get
    me wrong, there are software available on Windows and Mac where Linux equivalents don't cut it, but I'm not aware of types of software with no equivalent for *nix. Of course there's also WINE, which may or may not work.

    I'm not the one who wrote that, but I feel like I'm in the same situation. One piece of software I've used recently is Topaz Labs Video Enhance AI, which uses AI to upscale videos. It's not available for Linux, and I'm not sure there is a good alternative.

    Sometimes I enjoy PC games as well, and often, a PC game just isn't available for Linux. One recent PC game I've enjoyed is Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020, which is only available for Windows (or Xbox). X-Plane 11 is available for Linux though, but sometimes you just want to play a specific game. There are other PC games that just aren't available for Linux.

    I think it would definitely help if there were more Linux versions of the same software available for Windows and Mac. One example is photo editing software. There is photo editing software for Linux, but often you have to look for alternatives to what you might use on Windows. I have a Nikon camera, and I sometimes use Nikon's "Capture NX-D" software to make edits to my raw photos. Nikon Capture NX-D is not available for Linux, so I'd have to find an alternative. It would be nice if NX-D was available for Linux so I could use the same program.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Tracker1 on Wed Nov 3 19:58:00 2021
    Tracker1 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    But, Microsoft doesn't believe in the philosophy "if it ain't
    broke, don't fix it".

    Isn't that enough of a reason (among many others) to avoid using their product(s)?

    It certainly is for me.

    Oh, like Linux? (SystemD, Budgie, Gnome 40, KDE Neon, etc).

    Not exactly sure where you're coming from on this... To clarify, I use
    (only) Linux, but use *NONE* of the items you listed there.

    If you want a stagnated OS, you should probably just run
    TempleOS.

    Again, rather confusing... Where did you get the stupid idea that I
    wanted a stagnated OS?



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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Thu Nov 11 12:16:58 2021
    On 11/3/21 13:09, Nightfox wrote:
    Unfortunately, most all of the programs I use with my hobbies
    are Windows based...there are no Linux equivalents.

    Would you be willing to expand on this? I'm deeply curious. Don't get
    me wrong, there are software available on Windows and Mac where Linux
    equivalents don't cut it, but I'm not aware of types of software with
    no equivalent for *nix. Of course there's also WINE, which may or may
    not work.

    I'm not the one who wrote that, but I feel like I'm in the same
    situation. One piece of software I've used recently is Topaz Labs
    Video Enhance AI, which uses AI to upscale videos. It's not available
    for Linux, and I'm not sure there is a good alternative.

    Actually been looking at that myself, may be putting another drive in my desktop with Windows 10 specifically for it... some suggestions that
    it's possible with Wine to get other apps of theirs working, so may try
    that first though.


    Sometimes I enjoy PC games as well, and often, a PC game just isn't available for Linux. One recent PC game I've enjoyed is Microsoft
    Flight Simulator 2020, which is only available for Windows (or Xbox).
    X-Plane 11 is available for Linux though, but sometimes you just want
    to play a specific game. There are other PC games that just aren't available for Linux.

    Pretty much everything I've tried to play runs via Steam/Proton or
    Lutris, but that's sometimes jumping through hoops.

    https://www.protondb.com/app/1250410



    I think it would definitely help if there were more Linux versions of
    the same software available for Windows and Mac.

    Agreed, although it seems even Valve/Steam is recommending Proton(WINE) testing for games over native, only because the changes needed are
    usually very minor and the compatibility issues are fewer. At least for games. Desktop apps are a different story.

    One example is photo editing software. There is photo editing
    software for Linux, but often you have to look for alternatives
    to what you might use on Windows.

    As I mentioned, usually you can find decent enough alternatives,
    sometimes better. And there are commercial options for some software,
    but they tend to limit supported distros, part of why I tend to stick to
    a Debian/Ubuntu based option.

    I have a Nikon camera, and I sometimes use Nikon's "Capture NX-D"
    software to make edits to my raw photos. Nikon Capture NX-D is not
    available for Linux, so I'd have to find an alternative. It would be
    nice if NX-D was available for Linux so I could use the same program.

    https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=30070

    Apparently a couple hoops for getting it going. Would be nice if there
    were ready-baked appImage+WINE/Proton containers for running some of
    these apps for a better out of the box experience... like a next step
    from Lutris.
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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Thu Nov 11 12:19:34 2021
    On 11/3/21 17:58, Gamgee wrote:
    But, Microsoft doesn't believe in the philosophy "if it ain't
    broke, don't fix it".

    Isn't that enough of a reason (among many others) to avoid using
    their product(s)?

    It certainly is for me.

    Oh, like Linux? (SystemD, Budgie, Gnome 40, KDE Neon, etc).

    Not exactly sure where you're coming from on this... To clarify,
    I use (only) Linux, but use *NONE* of the items you listed there.

    What Distro and desktop environment are you using then?


    If you want a stagnated OS, you should probably just run
    TempleOS.

    Again, rather confusing... Where did you get the stupid idea that
    I wanted a stagnated OS?

    You don't want anything to change.
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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Tracker1 on Thu Nov 11 19:31:00 2021
    Tracker1 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    But, Microsoft doesn't believe in the philosophy "if it ain't
    broke, don't fix it".

    Isn't that enough of a reason (among many others) to avoid using
    their product(s)?

    It certainly is for me.

    Oh, like Linux? (SystemD, Budgie, Gnome 40, KDE Neon, etc).

    Not exactly sure where you're coming from on this... To clarify,
    I use (only) Linux, but use *NONE* of the items you listed there.

    What Distro and desktop environment are you using then?

    I use Slackware and XFCE.

    If you want a stagnated OS, you should probably just run
    TempleOS.

    Again, rather confusing... Where did you get the stupid idea that
    I wanted a stagnated OS?

    You don't want anything to change.

    Your statements continue to be quite confusing. What exactly did I say
    that gave you that impression?

    Are you possibly confusing the quoted parts of these messages, thinking
    I wrote something that somebody else actually did?



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