• Re: Scientists: Most of the areas west of the Mississippi will be

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    From: SWOTL <SW@O.TL>
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    Subject: Re: Scientists: Most of the areas west of the Mississippi will be
    uninhabitable within 25 years, desert within 50!
    Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:42:48 -0600
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    On 7/20/2012 9:32 AM, * US * wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:33 -0600, SWOTL<SW@O.TL> wrote:

    ... droughts that preceded the
    disappearance of the Anasazi ...

    Do you believe they would somehow dispute that
    human activity contributes to desertification?

    I can not comment on what the now extinct Anasazi would believe, nor can
    you.

    "The process occurs due to both natural and human causes."

    http://library.thinkquest.org/26026/Science/desertification.html

    The "process" not in effect across the entire inter-mountain West, and especially NOT present at High Park or Waldo Canyon.

    Localized "desertification" in the Colorado Plateau did NOT cause the
    current La Nina drought, nor did it cause the large Colorado wildfires
    in High Park or Waldo Canyon.

    Learn to read maps:

    http://google.org/crisismap/2012_us_wildfires

    http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp

    http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/gct/coloplat.htm

    On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:30:55 -0600, SWOTL<SW@O.TL> wrote:

    ... can not tolerate being factually
    contradicted.

    No wonder you ignore the facts, then.

    Why do you think High Park or Waldo Canyon are located in the Colorado Plateau?

    There are many factors which affect climate.

    Make a note of it.

    Which factors have caused the 1904 La Nina ?

    http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

    What is La Niña?
    La Niña is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
    eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Niño, which is
    characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
    Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

    Previous Cold Phases
    La Niñas occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
    1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

    Typical La Niña Impacts
    La Niña tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Niño to the United
    States — wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
    dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

    On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:53:33 -0600, SWOTL<SW@O.TL> wrote:

    Did "Americans" ...

    You seem to be posting repeated identical messages,
    which you wouldn't do if you knew enough about the
    fact that your repeat chanting won't substitute for a
    valid point of some sort.

    Just answer the question, what did the Anasazi do to their climate to
    cause the 16th century drought?

    Do you believe that because the sun heats the earth
    human activity can't do so also?

    Human activity did not cause the La Nina 2011-12 drought.

    Undisputed:

    http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

    Well actually the relevant portion, as regards the Colorado fires and
    four corners area is not addressed in this url. It focuses primarily, in
    its look at North America, upon the Great Plains of the US and Canadian prairie provinces.

    Do try a more relevant cite.


    Also undisputed:

    "Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
    woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

    I believe that past range management practices contributed to isolated
    local effects in areas of Colorado NOT currently burning.

    You may need to look at these maps to discover why your geographic
    illiteracy is so evident:

    http://google.org/crisismap/2012_us_wildfires

    http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp

    http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/gct/coloplat.htm
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    From: SWOTL <SW@O.TL>
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    Subject: Re: Scientists: Most of the areas west of the Mississippi will be
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    On 7/20/2012 9:32 AM, * US * wrote:
    Do you believe

    Yes, that comprises the bulk of your repetition now, so I'll leave it at
    a succinct conclusion, enjoy:

    Yes, something made it hot and dry all over the West:

    http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

    What is La Niña?
    La Niña is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
    eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Niño, which is
    characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
    Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

    Previous Cold Phases
    La Niñas occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
    1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

    Typical La Niña Impacts
    La Niña tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Niño to the United
    States — wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
    dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

    Did "Americans" desertify the Colorado plateau in the 16th century?

    http://www.navaching.com/swest/rio.html

    When records of drought for the last two millennia are examined, the
    major 20th century droughts appear to be relatively mild in comparison
    with other droughts that occurred within this time frame. Even the 16th century drought appears to be fairly modest, when compared to some early periods of drought.
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