• Re: Why can't Obama run on his record?

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    On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:56:10 -0700, Hector <vector@havana.cu> wrote:

    On 07/18/2012 10:23 AM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:
    "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
    news:klod085d5sqmfvkrqc6j3hpjfiaqf48vqq@4ax.com...

    It does seem hat the only way to be that stupid is to
    have gone to college past the basic degree and into graduate school.

    My sympathies are with you on that.
    I've seen a lot about right-wing colleges - Regents, Glenn Beck U, Paul
    Quinn.
    They really do suck.
    But hey - Kudos to Quinn for not losing their accreditation this year.

    Most losers have disdain for successful college graduates. Obama is
    counting on the jealousy of you losers.

    Damned shame there are so many Unsucessful college graduates working at MickyDs..isnt it?

    Gunner

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    On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:49:11 -0600, Wo Tan <wt@in.valid> wrote:

    On 7/18/2012 12:57 PM, ?@qmail.not wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:45:12 -0600, Wo Tan<wt@in.valid> wrote:

    On 7/17/2012 9:54 PM, ?@qmail.not wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:53:34 -0700, azjohn<haboob@nothere.com> wrote: >>>>
    Because his record sucks.

    Yep, you fascists wanted to put the whole nation out of work to
    bankrupt the nation of it's revenue.

    Hyperbolic and counter-intuitive, no one on either side wants a whole
    nation "out of work"?

    Unfortunately to those out of work, that is not true.

    Really, well please do explain for "them, or perhaps you are "them"...

    You want them out of work and the US out of money.

    Well that's just a stupid, silly lie. I want the Clinton years back when >everything was humming along.

    I think you're cranky and need to take more naps.


    Who pays you to regurgitate these ludicrous screeds?

    Stupid remark from a stupid person.

    Look, we can both agree you're stupid, no problem there at all.


    Obama saved the jobs in spite of
    your efforts.

    At roughly 247,000$ per job "saved", 247,000 taxpayer dollars that is... >>>
    So you dream up a number and therefore it must be true?

    I never dream, I always cite:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/cost-obamas-stimulus-plan-312500-job-vote-create d-or-saved-and-guess-who-paying-it

    For those eager to put some math to the rhetoric coming from the White
    House over the president's jobs creation plan, and that should be
    everyone, here is a quick and dirty estimate based on the numbers being >thrown around of a 2% GDP increase in year 1 and 1.9 million jobs
    created or saved... most saved, as in those you can't really quantify.
    Said otherwise, roughly a $300 billion increase in GDP yields 1.9
    million jobs. So far so good. Now since the president is proposing to
    pay for the program over 10 years, let's assume the $475 billion in
    direct expenses is financed for 10 years at 2.5% which adds roughly $120 >billion to the total cost of the program. In other words, as the >calculations detailed and show below elaborate, the overall AJA plan
    will cost $250,000 per job created (excluding the interest expense) and >$312,500 per union job, er job created (including interest). And that's
    how much it costs for Obama to purchase one vote... created or saved. >Keynesian efficiency strikes like a Swiss watch yet again.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-s-economists-stimulus-has-cost-27800 0-job_576014.html

    Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job

    The stimulus is now causing the economy to shed jobs.

    The report was written by the White House’s Council of Economic
    Advisors, a group of three economists who were all handpicked by Obama,
    and it chronicles the alleged success of the “stimulus” in adding or
    saving jobs. The council reports that, using “mainstream estimates of >economic multipliers for the effects of fiscal stimulus” (which it
    describes as a “natural way to estimate the effects of” the
    legislation), the “stimulus” has added or saved just under 2.4 million
    jobs — whether private or public — at a cost (to date) of $666 billion. >That’s a cost to taxpayers of $278,000 per job.

    In other words, the government could simply have cut a $100,000 check to >everyone whose employment was allegedly made possible by the “stimulus,”
    and taxpayers would have come out $427 billion ahead.


    Now then, Harvard's Martin Feldstein estimated 200K$ per job, so I think
    we can agree I was quite charitable by even undercutting the CEA's
    official number.



    You must be pissed beyond reason.

    I think anyone who saw that number was.

    Anyone might be any number of your radical conservacrap friends. That
    hardly means every or any one.

    Oh I think most Americans get pretty worked up when they realize what
    the alleged "stimulus" cost us.


    Better to be pissed
    off than pissed on, right comrade?

    Yes, Obama and his failed stimuli have pissed on us all.

    When you wanted jobs lost and he saved them, you call it failed. We
    understand.

    He really never saved much of anything because:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-s-economists-stimulus-has-cost-27800 0-job_576014.html

    Furthermore, the council reports that, as of two quarters ago, the >“stimulus” had added or saved just under 2.7 million jobs — or 288,000
    more than it has now. In other words, over the past six months, the
    economy would have added or saved more jobs without the “stimulus” than
    it has with it. In comparison to how things would otherwise have been,
    the “stimulus” has been working in reverse over the past six months,
    causing the economy to shed jobs.


    The US government is being held hostage to stop it's taxation
    practices.

    Oh really?

    Really.

    I don't see anyone stopping me from paying my taxes, ymmv.


    Who told them to stop collecting taxes?

    No one did, yet.

    Oh, I see, "yet"?

    So then you lied.

    Granted.

    You're quite insane aren't you?

    You're just full of stupid remarks aren't you?

    I don't make immediately idiotic and refutable lies like you do.


    The president does not create jobs, nor is he responsible
    for making them go away.

    So Bush was not to blame? Not that it matters, decisions by the
    Executive branch have impacts on jobs, and Obama's blunders have doused
    what could have been a nice recovery.

    For whom, the rich?

    For the 16.7% without work, obviously.

    I suspect the "rich" are mostly continuing to pull in their spending and >thereby not creating as many jobs.

    Because:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2010/08/05/us-economy-is-increasingly-tied-to-the- rich/

    Well, perhaps everyone should these days. Consumer spending accounts for >roughly two-thirds of U.S. gross domestic product, or the value of all
    goods and services produced in the nation. And spending by the rich now >accounts for the largest share of consumer outlays in at least 20 years.

    According to new research from Moody’s Analytics, the top 5% of
    Americans by income account for 37% of all consumer outlays. Outlays
    include consumer spending, interest payments on installment debt and >transfer payments.

    By contrast, the bottom 80% by income account for 39.5% of all consumer >outlays.


    US companies who pay the salaries are the
    only people that are responsible for or the lack of jobs.

    The "lack of jobs" is a result of the lack of "demand".

    Bullshit.

    No, just fact.

    When folks stop consuming, things stop being made, and jobs are lost.

    The supply for the demand isn't coming from Americans but
    is still there.

    Well that's just crazy talk, isn't it?

    So the "supply" for this "demand" you think exists is sitting where, in >whose warehouses?

    And if there is a shortage of say durable goods why haven't prices shot
    up to match?

    See, you're really quite far out of your depth here.


    Now don't you feel silly for believing US companies can purchase their
    way back into prosperity?

    What kind of drugs are you on, LSD?

    Have you stopped beating your wife?


    They make
    the decisions to move operations out of the country and they can make
    the decisions to bring them back.

    Oh sure, and what would you Iphone cost made here?

    Try using English.

    Try explaining what a US made Iphone would cost, come on, do it.

    Oh, never mind:

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/why-iphones-arent-made-in-america/

    Not long ago, Apple boasted that its products were made in America.
    Today, few are. Almost all of the 70 million iPhones, 30 million iPads
    and 59 million other products Apple sold last year were manufactured >overseas.

    Why can’t that work come home? Mr. Obama asked.

    Mr. Jobs’s reply was unambiguous. “Those jobs aren’t coming back,” he
    said, according to another dinner guest.

    The president’s question touched upon a central conviction at Apple. It >isn’t just that workers are cheaper abroad. Rather, Apple’s executives >believe the vast scale of overseas factories as well as the flexibility, >diligence and industrial skills of foreign workers have so outpaced
    their American counterparts that “Made in the U.S.A.” is no longer a
    viable option for most Apple products.

    And why does cost matter?

    Let's take the popular Ipad:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/05/how-much-would-the-ipad-2- cost-if-it-were-made-in-the-us-about-1-140/238508/

    How Much Would the iPad 2 Cost If It Were Made in the U.S.? About $1,140


    it's about competing globally, or maybe you're one of those Hyundai
    driving liberal hypocrites...

    America can't compete globally and shouldn't have to.

    What a fascinating bit of head in sand-ism.

    To the first point:

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/why-iphones-arent-made-in-america/

    Another critical advantage for Apple was that China provided engineers
    at a scale the United States could not match. Apple’s executives had >estimated that about 8,700 industrial engineers were needed to oversee
    and guide the 200,000 assembly-line workers eventually involved in >manufacturing iPhones. The company’s analysts had forecast it would take
    as long as nine months to find that many qualified engineers in the
    United States.

    In China, it took 15 days.

    Companies like Apple “say the challenge in setting up U.S. plants is
    finding a technical work force,” said Martin Schmidt, associate provost
    at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. In particular, companies
    say they need engineers with more than high school, but not necessarily
    a bachelor’s degree. Americans at that skill level are hard to find, >executives contend. “They’re good jobs, but the country doesn’t have
    enough to feed the demand,” Mr. Schmidt said.


    To the latter - then we FAIL and invert, much as the Communist USSR did.

    Sorry, with NAFTA, GATT, CAFTA,etc. and currency alliances like the EU, >we're not able to return to isolationism as a national policy, too bad, >quite a bit sad in fact...but still a fact.


    Taxes have been cut though it's
    obviously not enough to satisfy the greedy.

    You mean the unemployed? Yes, those greedy workers, the heck with them... >>>
    Of course not. The greedy are the wealthy. The unemployed are the
    needy. You wouldn't understand that.

    The "unemployed" are drugged into stasis by unending unemployment checks.

    The wealthy have no need to be greedy as they already have theirs.

    See how that works...


    So they put us out of work
    thereby cutting down on the nation's revenue.

    They did?

    You know that.

    No, I do not.

    If no one is working, no one is paying taxes.

    But you just claimed (erroneously btw) that 90% of us ARE working, so
    which is it? You can't have both sides of the highway at once you know.

    You rich bastards don't.

    Aw <snifffle> is that some green-eyed jealousy I hear from you?

    You're breaking my heart.


    The corporations control demand?

    Do they?

    No, they certainly do not.

    They respond to demand.

    Do yourself a favor - buy an econ 101 text book, spend quality time
    reading it.


    Seriously?

    Lol.

    And China is not the
    enemy, Corporate America is.

    Your illucidity is stunning - neither one are "the enemy", and for you
    to hate those who employ Americans is sickening.

    You can pull that bullshit on an idiot not here.

    Which idiot did you have in mind? I still have you to try and wake up.


    In fact China is in bad shape right now,
    a victim of its successes as the US is.

    China can deal with their own problems, stop torching straw men off.

    Heheh, you're crazy.

    Nope, I'm a realist.

    I want our problems fixed, they can worry with their own.


    What will China do when
    corporate leaves them hanging high and dry?

    Why would "corporate" do that? It's still a global market, do try and
    have a good think about how things work, won't you?

    50¢/hr was ok for awhile. Now they need 25¢/hr. When corp can find it
    they'll leave.

    There is more to life than manufacturing, in fact there is a very key
    growth segment to this economy involving SERVICE (driven by aging
    boomers), and you can't outsource health care jobs.


    The Corps are being
    careful; for if they go too far, the economy might crash but with over >>>> 90% of the people still workin; doubt there is any chance of that.

    But of course that many are not working, as real unemployment (U6) is
    hovering near 16.7%

    Can you make up that crap without your drugs?

    I think you are up way past your nap time:

    http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/real-unemployment-rate-22-5/

    For instance, in Table A-15, titled “Alternative measures of labor >underutilization,” the BLS reports what is known as “U6 unemployment.”
    U6 unemployment includes those marginally attached to the labor force
    and the “under-employed,” those who have accepted part-time jobs when
    they are really looking for full-time employment.

    While the BLS was reporting seasonally adjusted unemployment in January
    2012 at only 8.3 percent, it was also reporting U6 seasonally adjusted >unemployment in January 2012 was 15.1 percent.

    The only measure BLS reports to the public as the official monthly >unemployment rate is the seasonally adjusted U3 number.

    http://bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

    June
    2012

    15.1


    In the meantime, they blame the President and liberal democrats for all >>>> our woes while unemployment drains the nation's bank account and our
    government tries to compensate with extended benefits.

    Great observation, with those out of work and on perennial unemployment
    where is the incentive to FIND A JOB?

    Incentive is meaningless when there are no jobs.

    Oh but there are, there really are!

    They just require a bit more gumption and training than this nation has
    any more.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/02/on-job-hunt-manufacturing-jobs-readily-av ailable-with-no-skilled-workers-to/

    Anyone who tells you the jobs just aren’t out there, has not spoken with
    the employers at Excel Foundry and machine in Pekin, Illinois. That
    company is trying to expand but is having difficulty.

    Excel says the reason for this is because recruiters cannot fill the job >vacancies. Yes, you read that right, they can not fill the vacancies.

    “We’re absolutely frustrated, we’re doing everything we can to attract >employees we desperately need right now,” says Doug Parsons with Excel.

    The catch is that Excel, like many U.S. manufacturers, is looking to
    hire skilled workers. That means tradesmen with training like welders,
    pipe fitters and machinists. That is where the problem lies.

    For most Americans while in their high school years, the pressure was on
    to go to college and get a degree. Trade schools were looked at as a
    back up plan for those who did not excel.

    Larry Sarff with Morton Industries says, “One of the problems in finding >people is the perception that manufacturing is a dying art and that jobs
    are not going to be there because they're being sent overseas.”

    In fact, the department of labor says there are four million fewer
    people working in skilled labor positions today than there were 20 years >ago.

    So companies like Excel are turning to the high schools and trying to
    change the perception of a career in the trades.

    “Most people when they think about engineering think about dark dirty
    grungy dead end type jobs. That's not what we're talking about. We're >talking about high tech jobs,” Says Parsons.

    Big companies are putting on job fairs and conventions. They put teens
    on busses and explain to them the potential of long term employment at a
    pay rate up to 80 thousand dollars per year.


    Gone.

    Right to some foreign country, yep.

    Not forever, all we need is more vo-tech education and training.

    Remember, you can't outsource a plumber, welder, framer, mason, or >electrician...


    But there's plenty of time to watch TV and eat government cheese.

    One of the reasons you want to dry up the cheese and everything else
    with it?

    Stop being silly.

    I would like to see our government quit dropping high carb food bombs on >native Americans though.


    Sooner or later
    they will win and all of those items corporate America wants to get
    rid of will be gone, SS, M&M.

    Your hysteria is getting the better of you again, if indeed there is
    such a thing.

    Does your brain know what your lips are saying?

    Are you practicing that in the mirror?


    The current government is making things
    worse by trying to keep up with its obligations

    Lol!

    So really after all the hypocritical accusations it turns out it's YOU
    that favors a massive credit default.

    Either you are playing stupid or just plain stupid.

    No, you got caught by your own emotion-driven rhetoric, oh well...

    That happens to
    people who speak without realizing what they are saying.

    So take a breath, pace yourself.


    Lol, it is to laugh!

    but sooner or later
    they won't be able to, the deficits will be really out of sight.

    Oh no kidding the tab on Obama-care alone will spike them so far his 5
    trillion $$$ monument to economic unreality will look like chump change. >>>
    Still making up numbers you know nothing about?

    Are you denying his 5 trillion$ in NEW deficits?

    Need some cites?

    Whatever it is, we need it.

    No, we really do NOT need to default, sorry.


    The
    worst part of all this is there is nothing us little people can do
    about it.

    You're not one of the "little people", in fact you're a paid shill.

    Nope, just someone who can see through the shit you people are
    throwing around.

    You can't even grasp very basic economics, it's pretty laughable what
    you're keying here.


    You fascists win and the American people lose, Comrade. You
    must be so proud of yourselves.

    Your handlers are all Marxists, aren't they?

    are you finished making stupid remarks, comrade?
    Good.

    Are you finished being a"komrade", Marxist?

    Make it so.


    Very very well stated

    Gunner, owner
    Coyote Engineering
    Machine Tool repair and service
    Plant electrical, air, hydraulics
    Factory set ups and shut downs (unfortunately too many of the latter)


    --
    "I was eating breakfast with my 13-year-old granddaughter
    and I asked her, "What day is the 20th of February?"

    She said "It's President's Day!"
    (She is a smart kid.)
    I asked "What does President's Day mean?"
    I was waiting for something about Washington or Lincoln .... etc.
    She replied, "President's Day is when President Obama steps out
    of the White House, and if he sees his shadow we have
    one more year of unemployment."
    You know, it hurts when hot coffee spurts out your nose..."


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    On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:09:06 -0400, ?@qmail.not wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:32:53 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:54:37 -0400, ?@qmail.not wrote:


    Because his record sucks.

    Yep, you fascists wanted to put the whole nation out of work to
    bankrupt the nation of it's revenue. Obama saved the jobs in spite of >>>your efforts. You must be pissed beyond reason. Better to be pissed
    off than pissed on, right comrade?


    Sorry..you are in error. Badly in error. Or in denial. >>Socialist/Progressives/Liberals/Leftwingers are brothers to Fascists

    Since you are lacking in english comprehension, look up the definition
    of Liberal and while your at it, Fascists.


    Oh..I did. Long ago. Liberals and Fascists are in the same family as Socialists.

    Shrug..and you are in denial, sadly.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism

    In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are
    left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended
    from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely
    viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2]

    Goldberg writes that there was more to fascism than bigotry and
    genocide, and argues that bigotry and genocide were not so much a
    feature of Italian fascism, but rather of German Nazism, which was
    forced upon the Italian fascists "after the Nazis had invaded northern
    Italy and created a puppet government in Salò."[3]

    He argues that over time, the term fascism has lost its original meaning
    and has descended to the level of being "a modern word for 'heretic,'
    branding an individual worthy of excommunication from the body politic",
    noting that in 1946 George Orwell described the word as no longer having
    any meaning except to signify "something not desirable".[4][4][5]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/30/world/americas/30iht-letter.1.9602546.html

    http://www.nationalreview.com/liberal-fascism

    http://www.danielpipes.org/5355/fascisms-legacy-liberalism

    Those of you who are conservative...read this and answer the writers
    self imposed questions with the facts..and you will notice from the
    first..he is bullshitting himself

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/07/01/are-progressives-and-liberals-fascists- or-are-conservatives-and-republicans-the-real-fascists/

    http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/21/journolist-equals-liberal-fasc


    Journolist Equals Liberal Fascism

    By John R. Guardiano on 7.21.10 @ 6:07AM

    This lingering journalistic scandal isn't going away anytime soon --
    despite the media's attempt to kill the story.

    "The only morality [that] they recognize is what will further their
    cause -- meaning they reserve unto themselves the right to commit any
    crime, to lie [and] to cheat…"
    -- Ronald Reagan, speaking candidly about the Soviet Union during his
    first press conference as president, Jan. 29, 1981

    "Spencer Ackerman of the Washington Independent urged his colleagues to
    deflect attention from Obama's relationship with Wright by changing the
    subject [and lying]. Pick one of Obama's conservative critics, Ackerman
    wrote, 'Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists.'"
    -- The Daily Caller's Jonathan Strong in a stunning investigative exposé
    of the hidden machinations behind "Journolist," a secret listserve of
    several hundred liberal journalists, activists and academics, July 20,
    2010

    We always knew that most liberal journalists were biased. Now we know
    that many of them are dishonest -- and that, like their leftist
    forbearers in the Soviet Union, they reserve unto themselves the right
    to lie and to cheat to further their political ends.

    We know this because of the Daily Caller's astonishing report yesterday
    that a cabal of liberal journalists, activists, and academics acted in
    concert, and with malice aforethought, to kill and bury stories that
    were unfavorable to their political masters: Barack Obama and Rev.
    Jeremiah Wright.

    Indeed, these "journalists" were so blindly and zealously committed to
    the left-wing political agenda that they advocated smearing their
    political opponents with wholly unfounded charges of "racism" and
    "bigotry."

    Thus Ackerman's call for his fellow lefty "journalists" to "pick one,"
    any one conservative. After all, "who cares" who it is? Who cares about
    their innocence? Just pick a prominent conservative and call him a
    racist. Smear him! Show no mercy! Destroy his reputation and kill his
    public image! Now!

    I must confess that as worldly wise as I like to think that I am, I have
    been stunned, shocked and appalled by the raw partisanship and
    animalistic lust for power displayed by this pack of left-wing
    journalists.

    Of course I always new most Washington journalists were leftists. But
    what I didn't realize were the depths of intellectual dishonesty and
    dishonor to which many Washington journalists would descend in order to
    protect leftist pols and smear conservatives.

    "Have you no sense of decency?" Mr. Ackerman. "Have you no sense of
    shame?"

    Apparently not. But Ackerman is not alone. As the Daily Caller reports,
    several hundred journalists, activists and academics secretly conspired
    on Journolist. What did they know and when did they know it -- and with
    whom did they conspire and why?

    Did anyone pay them for favorable news coverage? Were they promised jobs
    and privileges for toeing the party line? And whom else were they
    commanded to punish in the public prints? What other lies did they
    purposely, and with malice aforethought, disseminate throughout the
    media?

    In short, there are a lot of unanswered questions that still surround
    the lingering Journolist scandal. Which is why I have urged Journolist co-conspirators Ezra Klein, David Weigel, Jonathan Chait, Michael
    Tomasky, Matthew Yglesias, and Spencer Ackerman to come clean and to
    release the Journolist archives in toto.

    The public has a right to know what reportorial actions these
    "journalists" were coordinating, with whom and why.

    Sure, there may be no legal right to know, but there is a moral and professional right to know. We're not talking about private love
    letters, after all. We're talking about coordinated journalistic actions designed to shape and influence what is reported in the public prints.

    Moreover, these journalists are very influential; they write for the
    "big media." Klein, for instance, reports for the Washington Post, Chait
    for the New Republic; Weigel for MSNBC; Tomasky -- The Guardian;
    Yglesias -- Think Progress; and Ackermann -- Danger Room. These are the
    same media outlets that are often in high-dudgeon about the public's
    "right to know."

    Well, turnaround is fair play -- and entirely justified right now. The
    Left's journalistic empire has destroyed too many innocent people for
    too long. It's time, then, that these "journalists" be held to account
    for their misdeeds.

    Public exposure, public pressure, and moral suasion ultimately destroyed
    the "evil empire," and it will destroy the Left's journalistic empire as
    well. Which is why Journolist insists on covering up its journalistic
    crimes. But moral suasion can be a powerful and righteous force; and it
    just might force Klein, Chait, Weigel, Tomasky, Yglesias, and Ackerman
    to do the right thing -- even though, sadly, they'd quite clearly prefer
    not to.


    --
    "I was eating breakfast with my 13-year-old granddaughter
    and I asked her, "What day is the 20th of February?"

    She said "It's President's Day!"
    (She is a smart kid.)
    I asked "What does President's Day mean?"
    I was waiting for something about Washington or Lincoln .... etc.
    She replied, "President's Day is when President Obama steps out
    of the White House, and if he sees his shadow we have
    one more year of unemployment."
    You know, it hurts when hot coffee spurts out your nose..."


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    Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> on Sat, 21 Jul 2012 02:59:13 -0700
    typed in misc.survivalism the following:
    On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:09:06 -0400, ?@qmail.not wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:32:53 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:54:37 -0400, ?@qmail.not wrote:


    Because his record sucks.

    Yep, you fascists wanted to put the whole nation out of work to >>>>bankrupt the nation of it's revenue. Obama saved the jobs in spite of >>>>your efforts. You must be pissed beyond reason. Better to be pissed >>>>off than pissed on, right comrade?


    Sorry..you are in error. Badly in error. Or in denial. >>>Socialist/Progressives/Liberals/Leftwingers are brothers to Fascists

    Since you are lacking in english comprehension, look up the definition
    of Liberal and while your at it, Fascists.


    Oh..I did. Long ago. Liberals and Fascists are in the same family as >Socialists.

    Shrug..and you are in denial, sadly.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism

    "Liberal Fascism" - how HG Wells described as his own political
    perspective.

    tschus
    pyotr


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    at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for, where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.
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    "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message news:cmil089k7f6jf6312n1ds1cnfeudg6ngkm@4ax.com...

    Crap, I stopped putting the Bachelor Degree* on Job apps about ten
    - fifteen years ago. Wasn't relevant at all to the jobs I was after.

    Yeah, if you're looking to work with right-wing psychos, telling them you're educated isn't helpful.
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